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On 9/3/2019 at 6:03 PM, jcussen said:

Not for everybody, but perfect for me. Don't really give a damm about the green thing, just easier for me and at $50000 about the same as a small Audi or BMW or a nice GMC pickup and with a MPGe of 100, what's not to like?

I'm glad this works for you.  Some of us aren't able or willing to pay that much for a vehicle.

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16 minutes ago, docj said:

I'm glad this works for you.  Some of us aren't able or willing to pay that much for a vehicle.

Seems a lot on this forum spend far more than $50000 on their motorhomes, tow vehicles, 5th wheels and trailers. Like I said, about the price of a new 1/2 ton pickup, and when you consider your fuel costs will be less than of 20% of that of new pickup, actually a pretty good deal. I am getting too old to work on cars anymore, and that 8 yr 120000 mile warranty is pretty attractive. But to each his own.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/10/04/pickup-truck-prices-vehicles/1455588002/

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19 minutes ago, jcussen said:

Seems a lot on this forum spend far more than $50000 on their motorhomes, tow vehicles, 5th wheels and trailers. Like I said, about the price of a new 1/2 ton pickup, and when you consider your fuel costs will be less than of 20% of that of new pickup,

The cost of a MH has nothing to do with the cost of a toad to tow behind it.  Neither does the cost of a pickup truck to tow a trailer or 5th wheel.  I have a Honda CR-V that I tow behind my MH.  It does everything I need and it didn't cost anywhere near $50k.  

If you can afford $50k for a vehicle that, most likely, can't be flat-towed behind a MH that's great, but don't try to make it sound as if the rest of us have the wherewithal  to do the same or that we consider it a sensible choice even if we did.

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Docj, If you had read my complete post, you would have seen I already have a toad, matter of fact a $5000 Honda CRV.  The Tesla in not suitable as a toad unless on a trailer. My choice was to buy a used MH and a SUV and a Tesla, Obviously not your choice. But that's fine by me. Would not presume to tell you what to do, and am not sure why you are offended by what I do? Are you also offended by people that buy $500000 motorhomes when they could get by with a $25000 motorhome?

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No, my point was that you equated buying a Tesla to buying an Audi or BMW.  There's nothing wrong with buying luxury cars if you can afford to do so.   Up to that point the discussion had been relative to the rationale for buying a Tesla.  You stated that you didn't buy one for any particular environmental reason but, rather, because you viewed it as an acceptable luxury vehicle choice. 

The intent of my post was to note that if a Tesla couldn't be rationalized on an environmental or cost effectiveness basis, then I suspect quite a few of us on this forum will take a pass since buying luxury cars just for the sake of having them is something we no longer bother to do.  You should buy whatever car you wish and can afford.

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Well I guess any  AUDI or BMW cannot be rationalized. Have had Audi, Bmw's and Porsches my entire life, and at this particular point, believe a Tesla is the best bang for the buck for a sporty car regardless of its method of propulsion. Trying to explain its attributes, to someone who has never driven one is difficult.

As far as "quite a few of us on the forum will take a pass at buying luxury cars just for the sake of having them is something  we no longer bother to do", why do I see so many Cadillac and Lincoln and $50 k jeep toads out there? If what you say is true, everyone would be towing Toyota Corolla's.Think the same applies to luxury motorhomes, I see a lot of very expensive coaches out there.

I understand  the economic side though, many are on fixed budgets, I am 72 and if I live to 90, will probably regret buying that $50000 car.:D

 

 

 

 

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jcussen, I don't think I will regret buying one at any time. As my wife recently commented about buying and moving to a high priced area, there's no satisfaction to being one of the wealthier corpses in the cemetery.

There is absolutely zero ROI on a whole house backup generators, but the look we give each other when it kicks in? Priceless!

It needs oil changes, filters, a new battery every three years, antifreeze etc. Soon no more just silent fast power:

It is great to see someone post here who is experienced with actually owning a Tesla, or any BEV, let alone look into the warranty and actual owner comments. I have also owned whole house backup generators here, first a Generac air cooled 15kw using propane. I had to buy a 200 gallon or so new tank which looked ugly. I have city utilities including up to a gig Internet and city natural gas etc. So I finally sold the propane tank and traded in the small air cooled one, for a water cooled 25kw Generac  running natural gas. It has a four cylinder Mitsubishi engine. All our appliances: water heater, furnace, range and oven, dryer are gas too here, and in Colorado. Two Tesla PowerWalls (PW) cost roughly the same installed as a 25kw Natural Gas generator. https://www.tesla.com/powerwall

Moving to 2 Tesla PWs will run all of our home demand in Colorado for the usual city power outages. Once we are sure we are staying we will install enough solar to keep them charged, and run the house without the grid. They switch as fast as the UPS' I use for my computer systems. no worrying about brown outs or the gas bill. And they'll charge my Tesla at night as well as run the house during outages. I have read where the car itself can be tied into the house as backup but I wasn't interested in that at the time.   

What does float my boat is the fact that across all the Tesla car line, each has a max of 20 moving parts: https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+many+moving+parts+in+a+Tesla&pc=MOZI&form=MOZLBR

And there are no hot exhaust pipes, exhaust manifolds, hot exploding fuels, oil pumps, air intakes, air filters, no oil or oil filters, No alternators or O2 or other gas sensors, and no toxic fumes from combusting carbon. No ignition system, no fuel injection or carburetor systems. no spark plugs, plug wires or turbos, no muffler or catalytic convertor.

The ICE engine alone has hundreds of moving parts: https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+many+moving+parts+in+a+gasoline+car&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=how+many+moving+parts+in+a+gasoline+car&sc=2-39&sk=&cvid=9076D595DE1D49A19340D6979EC0AAE6

If you don't like Tesla and their past CEO Elon Musk, and you know of another alternative to their PW that is cheaper, or better, or both by all means post a link here. I would go with the best bang for my buck.

 

 

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Just a side note, Tesla has sold 720,000 cars since 2012. The Tesla Model 3 is now the best selling luxury car in the United States. I may be dumb for buying one, but glad I have company.:D:D

BTW I don't drive my EV much. [just around town] and I charge it from the solar panels on my coach, not much, but enough to give me about 20 solar powered miles a day. More than enough to run errands, if I want to go farther, will of course have to plug it in. As I have said, not for everybody, but works good for me.

 

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jcussen, I wouldn't drive mine much either. Like you just around town, but also on any trips because they tell us where the next charger is in range. I've had my new 2019 Forester since March and have barely put 2600 miles on it. I would venture we will likely have many friends visit us to ski, hunt, or try some legal edibles. ;) I'll put the first trip on it when I drive it to Colorado after the house sells (yes we're getting offers!)

I've owned three large Mercedes in the early 90s and a BMW 525i I bought used in Germany with the high speed autobahn "Bischoffen Prep" Very long legs, I had it up to ~ 145mph on the autobahn back when it had no speed limit. Had my 911 Targa here in the 80s, as well as my Little Red Truck. I mostly stuck with AWD like our Trooper in the 90s, a Brat we had in 1978-1981 when I was assigned to the USAF Academy the first time we lived in "The Springs."

Here's an article about where folks get those myths. Some may wake up one day, others can't. So don't be too hard on them.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/10/ev-boom-in-norway-is-a-smug-national-fraud-according-to-rt/?utm_source=CleanTechnica+News&utm_campaign=e4b16d797b-Daily+Email+CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b9b83ee7eb-e4b16d797b-331970081

 

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