jenandjon Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 I have an old 33ft Jayco. I want to add a second unit over the bedroom. On hot days the one just don't keep up. My trailer 30 amp and is not wired for a second unit. So, I will have to get a second plug on the camper somewhere. I know I will have to run a separate cord to the pole. No problem there. My main unit is a Coleman max. The second unit is also a Coleman so they will match. The second one has the controls on the unit so no need for a second thermostat. I just cant figure out how I am going to run a wire across the ceiling and down the wall and outside. Without it falling down or looking too trashy. Conduit? PVC pipe? Height is not an issue either. I'm only 11 ft 6. I want to use something like this for the plug. Id like to find a 20 amp outlet. This one is only 15. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-15-Amp-125-Volt-Straight-Blade-Grounding-Power-Inlet-Outlet-Gray-001-05278-CWP/301304898?cm_mmc=Shopping|G|Base|D27E|27-2_WIRING_DEVICES|NA|PLA|71700000034239053|58700003946878363|92700031954447748&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInOWNtaS54wIVh5-fCh1_AwaOEAQYASABEgKS0fD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds I am not going to work on it until this winter. Right now I'm just bouncing ideas around. We are actually going to do 2 campers. My brother is adding a second unit to his also. BUT his is a 50 amp and is pre-wired . We are going to do his first. Quote Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ Spot Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Found this on your link's page https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-20-Amp-125-Volt-Straight-Blade-Grounding-Inlet-Outlet-Gray-15378-CWP/301304864?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal2_rr-_-301304898-_-301304864-_-N 2 hours ago, jenandjon said: I just cant figure out how I am going to run a wire across the ceiling and down the wall and outside. Without it falling down or looking too trashy. Conduit? PVC pipe? Do you mean to use something like this https://www.homedepot.com/p/3-ft-Cable-Cover-with-Adhesive-Backing-33636/306838777 Spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsallyh Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 jenandjon, three is "Wire Mold" which I think is the correct product name at HD, Menards, and Lowes. It is metal and you can fasten it to the ceiling and side wall with screws. You run single wires thru it. Then snap cover on. They have all sorts of fittings, 45, 90, etc. for corners. I've seen it in both beige and white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmeris Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Check the amperage ratings on the new unit. Make sure the wire , outlets, plugs etc are all rated for what the potential of the units draw. If you're running wire inside the wire mold looks better than emt, flex, or PVC conduits and comes in different sizes to accommodate the wire and either plastic or metal. It can be painted. Anything outside should be PVC and wire, outlets etc rated for wet locations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Schneider Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) Be sure to include an appropriately sized fuse or circuit breaker where the second feed comes into the RV. Yes, it will be protected by the pedestal's breaker if you plug it into a 15 or 20 amp outlet. But it won't be if someone uses an adapter to plug into a 30 or 50 amp feed. Edited July 16, 2019 by Lou Schneider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenandjon Posted July 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 17 hours ago, bobsallyh said: jenandjon, three is "Wire Mold" which I think is the correct product name at HD, Menards, and Lowes. It is metal and you can fasten it to the ceiling and side wall with screws. You run single wires thru it. Then snap cover on. They have all sorts of fittings, 45, 90, etc. for corners. I've seen it in both beige and white. Yes I think that will work. I couldn't remember what to call it. I worked with a similar product some 20 years ago. It was pretty cheap and didn't work well. I googled it and checked the link $Spot gave me. It looks like a much better product than it was before. 15 hours ago, Lou Schneider said: Be sure to include an appropriately sized fuse or circuit breaker where the second feed comes into the RV. Yes, it will be protected by the pedestal's breaker if you plug it into a 15 or 20 amp outlet. But it won't be if someone uses an adapter to plug into a 30 or 50 amp feed. That is a good idea. Quote Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 Before you start putting wiremold on the ceiling try to run a fish tape from the 14" opening inside the ceiling cavity across to the wall. I have found that there are rarely any restrictions above the ceiling left to right. If this is clear you will need to cut a hole in the ceiling at the wall and use your wiremold down the wall. BTW - how are you going to be sure that you have the needed bracing in the roof/ceiling for an AC unit. When you say "older Jayco" I think of wood framing rather than aluminum. Quote Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) I recently cut out the opening where my roof top ac was for my mini split ac install. Some serious wood there for the lag screws to go in. This was 2X8 thick layer plywood. Stronger than board. You are not going to have anything like that up there. You would need to cut out a larger section of the roof to reinforce it.Doeable but right much work. I believe a mini split be less work and more efficent. If you have a space on the wall you could put the interior unit on, be simple. My 110v 12k unit only needs a 15 amp breaker and actually 2 of them would run on a 15 amp circiut. They are heat pump also. app $850.00. This will run easily on your 30 amp unit. All you need is a hole saw, set of manifold ac guages, vaccumm pump, hand tools. Vaccumm pump and guages are rentable at autozone, or any parts retailer. Get refund back when they returned also. sweet deal.Unit comes precharged. You pull vaccumm and release gas. Turn on. Edited August 25, 2019 by GlennWest Quote 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenandjon Posted October 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 7:03 PM, RandyA said: Before you start putting wiremold on the ceiling try to run a fish tape from the 14" opening inside the ceiling cavity across to the wall. I have found that there are rarely any restrictions above the ceiling left to right. If this is clear you will need to cut a hole in the ceiling at the wall and use your wiremold down the wall. BTW - how are you going to be sure that you have the needed bracing in the roof/ceiling for an AC unit. When you say "older Jayco" I think of wood framing rather than aluminum. I talked to the dealer and they said it would be fine and to go for it. It is wood frame. I have the extra unit. Now I just wait until after harvest so I have time to install it. I will document it as I go. Quote Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenandjon Posted October 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 7:56 PM, GlennWest said: I recently cut out the opening where my roof top ac was for my mini split ac install. Some serious wood there for the lag screws to go in. This was 2X8 thick layer plywood. Stronger than board. You are not going to have anything like that up there. You would need to cut out a larger section of the roof to reinforce it.Doeable but right much work. I believe a mini split be less work and more efficent. If you have a space on the wall you could put the interior unit on, be simple. My 110v 12k unit only needs a 15 amp breaker and actually 2 of them would run on a 15 amp circiut. They are heat pump also. app $850.00. This will run easily on your 30 amp unit. All you need is a hole saw, set of manifold ac guages, vaccumm pump, hand tools. Vaccumm pump and guages are rentable at autozone, or any parts retailer. Get refund back when they returned also. sweet deal.Unit comes precharged. You pull vaccumm and release gas. Turn on. Well thats $850. I got a couple AC units for free. So thats why I going that way. Quote Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 Still need to reinforce the area for the lag screws. Quote 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickthrotl Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 unless its a roof mount down unit you won't need lag screws, AC units clamp from the bottom, be sure not to over tighten the unit. on coleman mach you will see white tabs on the sealing gasket, only tighten till they touch Quote 2004 Volvo VNL 780 2017 Momentum 376TH 2007 Harley Davidson FLHTC 2009 Smart4two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenandjon Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 I traded that trailer off and got a different one. This one is 50 amp and prepped for a second AC. That will make the job easier. Quote Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenandjon Posted April 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 I traded my old trailer off on an 06 Forest River Cardinal. IT is wired for a second AC unit. Last summer a friend of mine and I spent weeks pulling campers out of a campground that were flooded. He has been parting them out. So, last Saturday I went down to our RV junk yard and grabbed an AC unit. Set it up on saw horses to test it. It works great. Just have to finish straightening the fins. It ran a good half hour. Compressor kicked on and off as it should. Good cold air coming out. I ordered this gasket and the first Saturday after this shows up I'm installing it. If my calculations are correct this will put me right a 13'6'' The shroud has a pretty good crack in it. I taped it together on the bottom and put a bunch of gorilla glue on it. I will flip it over and do the same on the bottom when this cures. Quote Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 boy that unit handled rough. Hope it does good. Quote 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenandjon Posted April 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Yea its old but it was free. If it goes kaput I have another one. Free also. To me its worth it. I will have roughly $25 in the whole project. If I had an extra grand laying around I would go with a new one. Quote Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenandjon Posted July 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Finally got around to it. Should have done it sooner. It makes a huge difference. Quote Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
podwerkz Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 The forklift came in handy! Quote Nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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