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This new pushrod V8 is designed to fit into every full-size truck or van Ford builds, operates at a lower RPM than their other 8 or 10 cylinder engines. I just may switch from Chevy to Ford in a few years when the new engine has proven itself.

 

Edited by Ray,IN

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8 hours ago, Darryl&Rita said:

Back to push-rod engines. What's old is new again.

Isn't that the case?  I had two Superduty trucks with the V-10 engine and put over 300,000 miles on them combined. It was an outstanding motor and part of it was due to the overhead cam design. Now everyone seems to be giddy about a push-rod engine.  Other than being a bit more compact I don't see the advantage. 

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I did not see any bore and stroke information.  Probably an "over square" or long stroke which generally tend to develop torque at a lower RPM.

People were always complaining about the V-10 having to rev so high to get the power they needed, maybe they will be happier with a lower reving engine.

 

Ken

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Connect about a 10000 watt inverter alternator to the pto and charge up them lithiums in about 15 minutes...

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I found the following on another site: 

Here's some details from Blaine Ramey, supervisor of large gas and diesel engine performance development at Ford Motor Company.: 
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"When the project kicked off, [Brian Wolfe] was the director of global engine engineering. We decided to go with a brand new design; one that made the most sense," said Ramey. "We essentially had a clean sheet of paper, and this design offered the customer what we're looking for in that segment. Basically, it fits the heavy-duty market for trucks and we wanted to have a common engine that would go across the board. This will be in dump trucks, motor homes, and pick-up trucks. We needed a relatively compact package with low cost and high reliability. It made sense to do a pushrod V8 for cost to the customer and maintenance.

"This engine uses everything that Ford has learned. The same guy who did the 5.0L and the 5.2L Shelby [GT350] intake port developed this engine. It's brand new with no compromises. It is designed to be very rugged. It's a cast iron, four-bolt main block with cross bolts, and the pistons and rings are an evolution of the EcoBoost design. There are fewer parts and it's built in Windsor [Ontario]. The DOHC V8 engines use 32 valves; this has 16, plus one cam vs four."

As Ramey stated, the 7.3L utilizes an iron block featuring four-bolt main caps with cross bolts in each main, and the block is fully skirted, which adds rigidity. Bore and stroke comes in at 4.22-inches x 3.976-inches, respectively, to produce 445 cubic inches of displacement.

"We wanted to have a relatively good performance potential for the engine, so it has large bores. This is good for cylinder head flow and creates slower piston speed during cruise modes for better efficiency," said Ramey. "We also designed the engine to be serviced and rebuilt in the future. So, for these reasons the iron block made the most sense. Another benefit is improved thermal efficiency." Ramey stated the engine was designed with longevity in mind. The block can be bored and honed at least 0.010-inch according to Ramey, but we suspect there's plenty of meat to go 0.030-inch over (or larger), which would give you 457 cubes. Some insiders say a bore and stroke upgrade could net over 500 cubic inches! The bottom end also uses an integrated oil pump, and there are options for Super Duty and Medium duty oil cooler attached on the side of the block.

Up top, Ford designed a composite intake that mounts flat at the heads. This helps with sealing and assembly. It also has a dry valley, so there's less chance of an oil leak. And there's a flow advantage, too. The 7.3L does not currently utilize direct injection, but Ramey says it can be adopted later if necessary.

The heads are aluminum with tall ports that were developed for good flow and charge motion. "We have a wedge-shaped combustion chamber and the spark plug location is optimized at the center of the dish for the ability to have higher compression ratio. That equals better efficiency and performance. We also use piston-cooling jets that flow oil to the backside of the piston. This cools the pistons under high load to prevent detonation. And we control oil pressure with the variable-displacement oil pump. "We can control the oil pressure in the engine to give a target pressure. It's a variable-displacement oil pump, so basically we can control the pressure depending on driver demand. At idle we don't need much pressure, at higher speed or load we can increase pressure to protect the engine." This is yet another feature that should equate to extra performance and high-mileage durability.

You'll also note the Beehive valve springs are very tall. This was done to accommodate the high valve lift with low spring stress. "With a tall spring you're not deflecting the coils as much," said Ramey. "Pretty much all our engine have evolved to that design with lightweight retainers." Ramey wouldn't comment about valve sizes at this time.

The 7.3L also features forged aluminum rockers with a roller fulcrum, and we can see the valve angle is very shallow, which keeps the valves away from the cylinder wall as they open. This allows for maximum flow. "From a performance aspect, you're getting a lot there," he added.

It also uses hydraulic roller lifters with variable valve timing with a single phaser. "It has fixed overlap, but you can advance and retard the cam [on the fly]. This gives us the ability to reduce pumping loss at low engine speed and throttle position, but at higher speeds we can change the phasing for better air flow. The cam features 60mm bearing journals, and speaking of journals, there are 9 of them to reduce or eliminate deflection.

Ramey mentioned the 7.3L is designed to replace the 6.8L V10 that Ford has used since 1997. Depending on the application and year, the 6.8L Triton SOHC EFI V10 produced between 305-362 horsepower (2010 Super Duty was the highest) and as much as 460 lb-ft of torque. While it has displacement and power, it's large and not the best for engine swaps. Ford stated the new 7.3L will make best-in-class power, so we're anticipating more than 400 horsepower and 500 lb-ft of torque.

copied from Hot Rod magazine online: 
Evan J. Smith, Courtesy of Ford Motor Company

PS. Hot Rod Magazine was looking at this engine as a possible swap into Hot Rods and drag cars.

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On ‎3‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 10:32 PM, Ray,IN said:

I don't know what Ford is thinking, but they say this will fit in their F250 through F750.

Ray

 Back in the day Ford used a 429 gasser which is the little brother of the 460.

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thought this thread was about a new chassis? not another motor.

 

every X number of years ford stops building a motor and brings in another one. so everybody with the older motor has to junk it out within 10 years due to no support from the manf, or aftermarket.

i like my 5er, but if somebody would build a dedicated quality rv chassis, that can handle dirt roads, have a tight turn rad. all wheel (two or three axle) air powered disk brakes, and run on air bags, from the factory.

not a converted bus or truck frame.

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1 hour ago, packnrat said:

thought this thread was about a new chassis? not another motor.

 

every X number of years ford stops building a motor and brings in another one. so everybody with the older motor has to junk it out within 10 years due to no support from the manf, or aftermarket.

The subject line mentions both the new motor and chassis.

I don't know where you buy your parts, but I've had little trouble finding aftermarket parts for at least the more popular models well back into the 60's or more. Need parts for your 1951 Henry J? Rock Auto has them...

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/henry+j,1951,deluxe,2.2l+134cid+l4,1487349

NAPA, AutoZone, Advance Auto, and others all list many parts for older vehicles. They may not always have the art you need sitting on a shelf, but they can usually get them in a day or two.

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Ahh, the memories! My first car was a 1950 Ford sedan bought in 1959. That flathead V8 could be tuned up with a matchbook cover. One thickness for the points and two for the plugs... :)

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3 hours ago, Dutch_12078 said:

Ahh, the memories! My first car was a 1950 Ford sedan bought in 1959. That flathead V8 could be tuned up with a matchbook cover. One thickness for the points and two for the plugs... :)

And you can build one over 300 horsepower that is daily driver capable. 

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4 hours ago, Darryl&Rita said:

And you can build one over 300 horsepower that is daily driver capable. 

I've heard that, but I couldn't afford to sink that much money into it back in those days. They're a tough engine to kill though! I know where there's one still running a trailer mounted saw mill that's used almost daily...

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Now that new diesels require all of those expensive and high maintenance emissions add-ons, going to a heavy duty gas engine makes a lot of sense.

Ford's website says the 2020 F53/F59 stripped chassis will pair the new V-8 with a 6 speed heavy duty automatic transmission, the 10 speed will be used in F-250 through F-600 platforms.

Edited by Lou Schneider

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17 minutes ago, Lou Schneider said:

Now that new diesels require all of those expensive and high maintenance emissions add-ons, going to a heavy duty gas engine makes a lot of sense.

Ford's website says the 2020 F53/F59 stripped chassis will pair the new V-8 with a 6 speed heavy duty automatic transmission, the 10 speed will be used in F-250 through F-600 platforms.

Last I heard/read the F53 chassis was the only one omitted from receiving the new engine. Things change.

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