phoenix2013 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 The old goat_________________________________ has been pretty quiet lately since he is undertaking a significant "new adventure", but with help from Jack and Mark he has a "new challenge". So here's the start of it, let the guessing begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Something wrong wth the link Henry. Nigel 2006 Volvo VNL 430, 2006 smart cabrio cdi, 2000 Triple E Topaz 30' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim & Wilma Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Guessing they're jaws for new hitch being designed for heavy fifth wheel application. Jim & Wilma 2006 Travel Supreme 36RLQSO 2009 Volvo VNL730, D13, I-shift, ET, Herrin Hauler bed, "Ruby" 2017 Smart Class of 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 34 minutes ago, Jim & Wilma said: Guessing they're jaws for new hitch being designed for heavy fifth wheel application. X2 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmup68 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 locks for sliding hitch? 2003 International Eagle 9200i, Cummins ISX, Freedomline 2007 Teton Scottsdale XT4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Nigel said: Something wrong wth the link Henry. Nigel I fixed it, check again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Cut with a water jet? Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Yes, I had no clue about the power and accuracy of current waterjet machines. I wished I checked that technology again sooner. Compared to the last time I had things waterjet cut the difference is like using a scalpel today vs. bowie knife then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sclord2002 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 That is the heaviest duty jigsaw puzzle I have ever seen.....Given enough time, I think I could work that one out.😉 Charlie Don't ever tell a soldier that he doesn't understand the cost of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Kildow Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Over engendered bottle opener. Plus new Fifth wheel jaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Dollymamma takes a quick gander at 13 hours ago, phoenix2013 said: The old goat_________________________________ has been pretty quiet lately since he is undertaking a significant "new adventure", but with help from Jack and Mark he has a "new challenge". So here's the start of it, let the guessing begin. Dollymamma takes a glance at those two images.........grins and says.........."you bunch of old geezers need some more Geritol with a splash of Crown Royal.......IT'S a Charm-Braclet-Smiley-Face-With-Mouth-Open-And_Big-Eye......IT will look OK hanging around the old goats neck but will clash with his eyeglass frames.........perhaps some 1-inch thick frames water-jetted-to-match-the-smileee-face" Drive on.............(Henry gets some.......charm) 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sculptor Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 X2 on the sliding hitch. Off Topic, Hi Henry, I picked up my new to me ET hitch last weekend. I'm deciding how much, if any, extension to the frame. Kevin and June 2013 Volvo VNL 730 D13 Eco-Torque @ 425 Ratio 2.47 2014 DRV 36TKSB3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 20 hours ago, Sculptor said: X2 on the sliding hitch. Off Topic, Hi Henry, I picked up my new to me ET hitch last weekend. I'm deciding how much, if any, extension to the frame. Congratulations, those ETs just get "adopted" by new parents. I will be refurbishing and updating another one which was part of the original "dozen", built about 13 years ago and installed on the truck I designed and built 13 years ago. Anybody remember "Chef's" truck, the one with a garage for 2 motorcycles and a motorcycle lift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 And the "engineering fun" marches on. But will they work? Will it be this☺️, or this🤬 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 So, how much fun 😬 is reverse engineering to do this? This much fun. In case some of you guys are thinking, "boy oh boy, this moron actually posted it for the whole world, I could be rich". THESE WERE THE INITIAL MEASUREMENTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sculptor Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Another way to do this: Find a buddy with a 3d scanner, get it scanned, and build your CAD over the scan. Just make sure you get the scan scaled to the correct factor of 10. Always some "wise guy" out there. Kevin and June 2013 Volvo VNL 730 D13 Eco-Torque @ 425 Ratio 2.47 2014 DRV 36TKSB3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted February 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 Progress marches on. Look at that fit when they come together, NO SECONDARY MACHINING THERE, WHICH THE CAST PART REQUIRED! Next step to see how they like the jaws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Is the water jet significantly lower in cost that the cast or just less machining? The surface for the locking block to engage looks smaller in area. Ron C. 2013 Dynamax Trilogy 3850 D3 2000 Kenworth T2000 Optimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted February 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Finally the pin test. I've implemented another"minor engineering change". High hitching was common with Teflon plates on Binkley heads, if the plate thickness was "generous" in thickness. I re-positioned the jaws slightly higher to keep the bottom of the pin further away from the jaws with the plate on the pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted February 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 The cast jaws required three areas to be machined in order to work. Actually four, the swivel pin hole needed "touch up" too. That was true on the pins Binkley has cast and on the ones I had cast. The cost of cast parts was reasonable, once I bit the bullet and had the sand mold made (Binkley would not "agree" to sell these parts to me except at an insane cost). But the secondary machining and setup to do batches of these was quite expensive. This is not $15 bucks and hour job, this is $80 bucks an hour machine shop time. The waterjet parts so far required none of that, I would say that waterjet is a great machinist. The only area requiring machining is taking away the material where the two jaws inter-mesh. And there is few minutes of welding of the spacer rings to the jaw. And indeed you are eagle eyed, I have some work to do in the area where the block engages the pins and it will be different than it was on the cast parts. Since this requires some "trial and error" I had these machined with an "extra meat" to full around with and determine the final dimensions there (in steel it's easier to take material off than to add). Once I know from these prototypes what it is I will change that dimension for the production parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sculptor Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 It looks like water jetting the parts will save you a huge amount of time. Even if you were machining expanded foam and pouring your own sand molds and then having them poured at a foundry, this new way appears WAY faster. ( = less $$$). Congrats on your new process! Kevin and June 2013 Volvo VNL 730 D13 Eco-Torque @ 425 Ratio 2.47 2014 DRV 36TKSB3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Is the steel plate a different alloy than the cast material? Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Jim, the cast parts are a malleable cast iron that is then machined vs a steel plate. Don't know what grade of cast iron Henry spec'd out though. 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, GeorgiaHybrid said: Jim, the cast parts are a malleable cast iron that is then machined vs a steel plate. Don't know what grade of cast iron Henry spec'd out though. That's what I'm wondering. Is the steel of the same strength/hardness/??? as the cast part. Assuming that the cast jaw is the same as the Binkley which is the industry standard for strength, is the steel jaw equal or greater? Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 45 minutes ago, GeorgiaHybrid said: Jim, the cast parts are a malleable cast iron that is then machined vs a steel plate. Don't know what grade of cast iron Henry spec'd out though. Grade 2 (65-45-12) I'm sure GeorgiaHybrid can explain the difference. Incidentally, I had metallurgy lab perform the analysis of the original Binkley jaws before I got into the casting of duplicates. The thickness of the steel parts and the cast parts is identical 1.125" thick in the critical area where they grip the king pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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