jlc1988 Posted July 25, 2018 Report Share Posted July 25, 2018 So far, our 1995 Southwind Storm Babs has been to TX and OK as well as a few trips to Albuquerque. She drives really well for her age and is a nice place to glamp in. Only issue I have is she starts getting hot going over mountains/hills. Never gets to the H but gets really close. On our last trip, I had to tow a Dodge Charger (on a trailer) and ambient temperatures were in the 90-100 F range. Once we got over a hill, she would cool down. We're about to got to SD for some bike event there. We'll be towing a small trailer with bikes on it. Am I being paranoid about it getting hot? Is this normal RV behavior? The engine is a 460 Ford V8 with TBI injection. The coach has 43K on it. Thanks for the feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted July 25, 2018 Report Share Posted July 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, jlc1988 said: The engine is a 460 Ford V8 with TBI injection. The coach has 43K on it. If you have not done so, I would have the radiator and cooling system flushed and fresh coolant installed using distilled water. Take a hard look at all of the radiator hoses and fan belts as well. That is very low mileage for an RV that is more than 20 years old. If you haven't done so, I'd also have the brake fluid flushed and replaced. Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Paranoid Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 And I would add that you probably need to keep an eye on your transmission temperature, also. If you really like the rig, and plan to keep it, I would add a separate transmission cooler, if you don't already have one. Personally, if it were my rig, I'd probably add an aftermarket oil cooler, too and temperature gauges for both the oil and the tranny. The oil and tranny coolers will take some of the cooling load off the radiator. Regards John DON'T FEED THE VULTURES! My Body is a Temple! Ancient, Crumbling, Probably Cursed . . . I Don't Like to Make Advanced Plans. They Cause the Word "PREMEDITATED" to Get Thrown Around in Court! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlc1988 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Optimistic Paranoid said: And I would add that you probably need to keep an eye on your transmission temperature, also. If you really like the rig, and plan to keep it, I would add a separate transmission cooler, if you don't already have one. Personally, if it were my rig, I'd probably add an aftermarket oil cooler, too and temperature gauges for both the oil and the tranny. The oil and tranny coolers will take some of the cooling load off the radiator. It has a trans cooler and an oil cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quiet Assassin Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 have you got an electric fan on the radiator? If not think about adding one or even two depending on the shape of the radiator. Kits are available. FT since September 2007 Safari Trek + M/C http://johncarolandcharro.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJohns Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Did you drop down a gear or just pull the hill in drive? 2002 Beaver Marquis Emerald C-12 Cat 505 HP 2014 Volvo 630 D-13 I Shift SOLD 2017 New Horizons SOLD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FL-JOE Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 If you are pulling the grades with good high rpms and not lugging the engine down it should not get close to overheating. If the antifreeze is original then it is time to have it flushed and changed like someone else suggested. Joe & Cindy Newmar 4369 Ventana Pulling 24' enclosed (Mini Cooper, Harley, 2 Kayaks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailertraveler Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 15 hours ago, jlc1988 said: On our last trip, I had to tow a Dodge Charger (on a trailer) and ambient temperatures were in the 90-100 F range. Are you within your towing and Gross Combined Weight Ratings? If you have a Tow/Haul Mode were you using it? If you have a Transmission Fluid Temperature Gauge, what was it reading. With temperatures that hot it is not uncommon for the transmission fluid temp to get 90 degrees + hotter than the ambient air temperature when pulling a heavy load on steep grades. Have you checked the transmission fluid level and color? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Schneider Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 I believe that vintage has a thermostatic fan clutch. Under normal conditions the clutch is disengaged and the fan essentially freewheels. When the engine temperature starts to rise, the clutch engages and you should hear a noticeable rise in the fan noise as it pulls more air through the radiator ... kind of like a jet engine taking off. If this isn't happening, the fan clutch needs replacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Paranoid Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 It's been a while since I messed around with such things, but if I recall correctly, a fan isn't necessary at highway speeds. If you're driving down the road at 50 mph, far more air is passing over the radiator than any fan can move. Fans usually come on only in around town driving in stop-and-go traffic, or when idling. Regards John DON'T FEED THE VULTURES! My Body is a Temple! Ancient, Crumbling, Probably Cursed . . . I Don't Like to Make Advanced Plans. They Cause the Word "PREMEDITATED" to Get Thrown Around in Court! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlc1988 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, trailertraveler said: Are you within your towing and Gross Combined Weight Ratings? If you have a Tow/Haul Mode were you using it? If you have a Transmission Fluid Temperature Gauge, what was it reading. With temperatures that hot it is not uncommon for the transmission fluid temp to get 90 degrees + hotter than the ambient air temperature when pulling a heavy load on steep grades. Have you checked the transmission fluid level and color? Trans fluid level and color are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlc1988 Posted July 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, trailertraveler said: Are you within your towing and Gross Combined Weight Ratings? If you have a Tow/Haul Mode were you using it? If you have a Transmission Fluid Temperature Gauge, what was it reading. With temperatures that hot it is not uncommon for the transmission fluid temp to get 90 degrees + hotter than the ambient air temperature when pulling a heavy load on steep grades. Have you checked the transmission fluid level and color? We did exceed the tow rating of the RV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Schneider Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, Optimistic Paranoid said: Fans usually come on only in around town driving in stop-and-go traffic, or when idling. Or when the engine is working hard dragging the motorhome up a hill and the engine needs more cooling than the ambient air flowing through the radiator can supply, i.e. when the engine temperature starts to climb. Since the engine speed determines the fan speed when the clutch engages, you'll hear the fan roar when the clutch engages while the engine is running at speed like when you're climbing a hill. Not so much when it's running more slowly while idling or running around town. If you don't hear the fan roar when the engine temperature starts to rise, your fan clutch is not engaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpcoll01 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Agree with above, flush coolant system ($100ish) and make sure your fan is kicking on that is key when laboring up mountains at 30ish mph (if your rig is anything like mine towing a Jeep Wrangler). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray,IN Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 In addition to having the radiator/cooling system flushed and coolant recycled, gently clean the radiator fins of dirt and debris. If any fins are bent or mashed flat, use a fin comb to straighten them. I use air conditioner cleaner in a spray can (which is a heavy-duty detergent) then wash it out of the fins with a garden hose. DO NOT use a high-pressure washer! 2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA IN 1SG retired;Good Sam Life member,FMCA ." And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy 20 Jan 1961 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill w/bus Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Radiator cleaning, cooling system flush great ideas. Next look at your driving habits. Find you maximum speed in each gear. When climbing a hill and the speed drops to the max for the next lower gear downshift manually. You don't need to run at full throttle up the hill for most of them. If at a steady speed try lifting out a little on the throttle. If speed drops stop lifting. If the speed stays steady then continue continue lifting until the speed does decrease. Now you know what amount of gas you need to flow to the engine to maintain speed up the hill. What i found most useful with a gas motorhome is a vacuum gauge for manifold pressure. Secondary ports open about 7-8"HG on carburetor engines and fuel enrichment at about the same manifold pressure for fuel injected engines. So the trick was to maintain about 8" HG manifold pressure and let the speed slowly decrease to the downshift point. Manually downshift to the next lower gear. in a 1989 Pace Arrow we were at about 20 MPH going eastbound on I 40 in North Carolina going up the big hill. Took a while but a long time while we trundled up the hill with all the trucks in the right lane. Unless the speed increases with increased throttle then all you are doing is wasting gas and adding heat. Bill Bill & Lynn Baxter MCI102A3 Conversion, Detroit Diesel S50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimnina Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 we had an older Southwind that the previous owner had installed an extra electric fan and a trans cooler. It came in handy when pulling hills up and down the East Coast. When the temp gauge came close to 3/4, before the 'RED' zone, I flipped the switch and the gauge crept back down to the mid point. Never did have it overheat on all the trips we took. It had a 454, 4bbl, 3 speed auto , and 61K miles. We never toad anything, gas mileage was bad enough:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimalberta Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 I agree with Bill w/bus. Get to know your drivetrain intimitely and how it behaves in all conditions. I like what he says about letting your speed drop Slowly and the fact that if you dont get more speed by adding throttle all you are doing is adding heat and wasting gas. <p>....JIM and LINDA......2001 American Eagle 40 '.towing a GMC Sierra 1500 4X4 with RZR in the rear. 1999 JEEP Cherokee that we tow as well. IT IS A CONTENTED MAN WHO CAN APPRECIATE THE SCENERY ALONG A DETOUR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al F Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 As other has written, in as many words: Gear down and keep your RPM's up. If, when going uphill, you can't easily accelerate a little you are lugging and overheating the engine/transmission. You need to gear down until you can accelerator. I don't mean to say you need to accelerate, you just want keep in the 3000-4000+ RPM range. Also as others wrote. A 20-25 year old radiator is most likely clogged up a bit or a lot. May be so bad the radiator needs to be replaced. Al & Sharon 2006 Winnebago Journey 36G 2020 Chevy Colorado Toad San Antonio, TX http://downtheroadaroundthebend.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulltimer51 Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Not that the gauge is all that accurate, even over loaded as you say, the temp was still within operational limits. Any vehicle under those conditions will get hot. The ideas mentioned appear to be things done from personal experience and should be considered very valuable. George2011 F350 6.7PSD CC 4X4 DRW Lariate2015 Mobile Suites 41 RSSB4 5th Wheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlc1988 Posted August 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 Great points made by all. With hills/mountains, I try to get a running start whenever possible. I haven't thought about easing off of the throttle a bit to get over a mountain pass. I'll try that. That makes sense to me because you are stoking a fire but not converting that heat into motion therefore creating more heat. She's gotten quite a workout so far. We've been through 5 states with her so far. Learning quite a bit about the lifestyle and how to keep the machinery alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beemergary Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Wow Lots of good info. Don't use good for nothing cruise. Don't lug or over rev. Just find the lowest rpm sweet spot where you can gain alittle speed. I have to run electric fans on my high perfornce street strip cars as a back up. " Biggest Lie" is calling anti freeze a coolant. Any engine will run cooler with water. Distilled water (non corrosive) and a lubricant for the water pump. Look and see if some deflectors can be made to direct more air to radiator. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbaraok Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Beemergary, not sure what you are angry about. Obviously you don’t have a background in chemistry or you wouldn’t make a claim that distilled water is a better coolant that a 50/50 mixture of water and another molecule that lowers the freezing point and raises the boiling point of water. Much better for any engine. Barb & Dave O'Keeffe 2002 Alpine 36 MDDS (Figment II), 2018 Ford C-Max HYBRID Blog: http://www.barbanddave.net SPK# 90761 FMCA #F337834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beemergary Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 20 hours ago, Barbaraok said: Beemergary, not sure what you are angry about. Obviously you don’t have a background in chemistry or you wouldn’t make a claim that distilled water is a better coolant that a 50/50 mixture of water and another molecule that lowers the freezing point and raises the boiling point of water. Much better for any engine. Son has a 5 yr. engineer degree from Kettering University former GMI. Works in the heating and cooling division at Chrysler Engineering. Before that did an intership with a company that designs automotive heating and cooling radiators-condensors. Tests vehicles at Death Valley and over the continential divide for Chrysler. Didn't work for only a couple days at his intership and called his mother saying Dad was right about water cooling better than anti freeze. Your radiator cap will raise the boiling point. To be old and wise had to be dumb and stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mptjelgin Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 I've heard this claim before, and often the comparison is between pure water and pure (100%) anti-freeze. I think that everyone agrees that 100% anti-freeze is a bad idea. But the recommended 50/50 mix of water and anti-freeze not only lowers the freezing point and raises the boiling point, but provides much needed anti-corrosion properties and (in diesel engine) cavitation protection. I don't know of a single engine manufacturer that recommends pure water in lieu of an anti-freeze mixture. Including Chrysler... Mark & Teri 2021 Grand Designs Imagine 2500RL, 2019 Ford F-350 Mark & Teri's Travels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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