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24 minutes ago, GlennWest said:

Is there an antenna that could substitute s Batwing? Would like to remove it. 

I had the older style batwing, without the Wingman.  I swapped it out for the King Jack, smaller and sleeker.  I found that UHF stations came in a bit better.  However, the VHF stations do not work near as well.  The big, wide wings on a batwing are especially good at receiving VHF.

Conclusion:  add a Wingman to your older style batwing for best reception.  Replace the batwing with a King Jack for a sleeker and smaller antenna with less performance.

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We replaced the dysfunctional batwing with the sleek King and regret having done so. The King picks up less channels than the plastic sheet antenna we've been using. The King was nearly $400 installed. The plastic antenna form Costco? $19!!

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I want to remove from roof and relocate. Sorry wasn't clear on this. It will shade solar panels. Some kind of substitute

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The bottom line is that there are no roof mounted OTA antennas that will give equal or better performance than a Wingman equipped batwing. King makes a line of "Jack" directional and "Omni" omnidirectional roof mounted OTA antennas that are smaller and sleeker looking than the batwing, but do not offer the same level of performance, particularly on the low and high VHF channels, as the batwing. Those VHF channels are becoming more important now, as more stations are moving there from UHF due to the current UHF channel repack that's eliminating some high end UHF channels for TV service.

Does the batwing really shade enough of your solar panels to make a significant difference in performance?

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Had a Braun electric antenna on my coach and a tree branch removed it for me. My ceiling has fancy stuff on it, so could not drill a hole for the Jack or Winegard rotating antennas.So I tried this one https://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/entertainment-comfort-camping/tv-antennas-tv-satellites-electronics/antennas/rayzar-auto-over-air-antenna_22-0996?jt=1&jap=1o2&js=1&jsid=36859&jcpid=8a8ae4cd48005458014820e2e0170ec4&jkId=gcp:se_36859:pp_378367320183:ag_15211804824:cp_194253624:n_g:d_c:cr_52737673584&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvezZBRDkARIsADKQyPmmFRnfkWAlhTkEEXQQEzPYwsrF9Za8TnFOD8nlpxBncMIkjry-F6kaAlHYEALw_wcB Did not expect much, but was pleasantly surprised that it did pick up almost as many channels as my old directional UHF/VHF antennas. Most of the stations I get are about 35 miles away. Only need one wire [coax] from control panel inside.

 

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Why not just crank it half way down ? You'll likely get very close to the same amount of channels and only have early or late sun to worry about any shade . 

Maybe you're over thinking ? Are you gonna spend a dollar to save a nickle ?

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I may be over thinking it. Plan is, since roof acs going away, lots of room for solar. That will only item to shade.

 

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And IF it is the ONLY item to provide shade, it will be a small amount of shade and ONLY when the sun is in the right orientation, and ONLY for a short period of time.

Yes, you are over thinking it.

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On 7/3/2018 at 12:16 PM, GlennWest said:

I may be over thinking it. Plan is, since roof acs going away, lots of room for solar. That will only item to shade.

 

I would think the batwing would cause little to no shade on a panel so the loss would be negligible. 

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The Winegard Sensar ( batwing) antenna with the Wingman ad-on is still one of the best for an RV.  It is one of the few that elevates and height is a major factor in reception distance.

The Wingman is needed to enhance UHF reception which most TV transmission has been moved to.

There is nothing that makes a antenna special for HDTV, the frequencies are the same.

 

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3 hours ago, Poetaso said:

Hdtv antenna will do waay better than the batwing one. Check the article on the list of them the market provides And find a good one https://prizedreviews.com/best-outdoor-tv-antenna-for-hdtv/ . Wish you luck. 

There is no such thing as an Hdtv antenna.  TV antennas are uhf/vhf and have been for 60 years or more.  Most TV stations now broadcast on uhf, but some still broadcast on vhf, so you need both as you travel around the country.  There is none better than the batwing for rv'ing.

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We had the king jack and it was prone to catching tree branches. It was damaged and didn’t do a very good job of picking up stations even when new. I installed the razor air although I had to buy the one with the crank up assembly. When we use it, I am very happy with the signals it receives. It came with an amplifier that works great. You only need to install the new head and amplofier. https://www.rvrepairclub.com/video/rayzar-air-great-upgrade-to-your-standard-rv-antenna-007781/

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According to Winegard, the Rayzar has poor high VHF (7-13) reception, and no low VHF (2-6) reception unless the tower is next door. The only good full spectrum RV OTA antennas are the Sensar III with an add-on Wingman or the Sensar IV with an integral Wingman. Both also have built-in amplifiers. Adding a SensarPro signal finder/in-line amplifier power injector replacement to either one boosts their performance even more.

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I just purchased an ANTOP UFO  AT415B antenna for a fixed location. It sure beats anything I have ever tried and I hadn't taken it out side yet. Sure puts my Winegard Razor to shame.  They claim some models are RV rated but I wouldn't want to add any more height to my already tall RV.  The 414 series antenna may be the best for RV Mounting. They have better antennas but a rotor would be required.

Clay

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Clay, good luck with the antenna.  I am not a fan of any omnidirectional antenna.  They perform equally bad in all directions.

Ken

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The ANTOP UFO antenna is yet another example with poor to non-existent lo-VHF  channel reception. Under the current in progress FCC mandated channel repack, there are 17 stations moving down to join the existing 43 lo-VHF channels, including stations in Boston, Los Angeles, and Pittsburgh.

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9 minutes ago, Dutch_12078 said:

The ANTOP UFO antenna is yet another example with poor to non-existent lo-VHF  channel reception. Under the current in progress FCC mandated channel repack, there are 17 stations moving down to join the existing 43 lo-VHF channels, including stations in Boston, Los Angeles, and Pittsburgh.

http://dennysantennaservice.com/better-vhf-tv-reception-.html

Agree, you just need the longer array for low VHF signals.

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8 hours ago, Dutch_12078 said:

 Under the current in progress FCC mandated channel repack, there are 17 stations moving down to join the existing 43 lo-VHF channels,

As far as I know I''m not impacted by the 17 channel move but I haven't seem the list or have I researched the 600 MHz spectrum sold last year.  My present closest VHF channel to the fixed location I referred to would require a rotor and of no interest. Another seldom viewed channel is above 36 but wouldn't care if I lost it.. One fringe channel that was maybe 49 relocated a couple months but still in the UHF band. Channel 13 was picked by the ANTOP antenna when I did the little test a couple days ago. And last comment , the ANTOP antenna I have yet to run the cable, is primarily a local channel backup in event of satellite failure. 

Do you have a list of the channels that is converting back to VHF. My interest primarily is west of the Mississippi River.

Thanks Clay

 

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Note that while the list shows 152 stations going off the air, that's a bit misleading. While those stations are giving up their licenses, many will actually remain on the air as a sub-channel under another licensee.

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