runaway parents Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 I recall a while back there was a picture of a tale end of a truck frame being extended. buy chance dose any body know the site where I can find it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickndeb1125 Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 You can go to comfortridehitch.com look under photos at bottom of facebook page and see my stretch, only thing is I hinged my tail end to drop down as loading ramp. Silver volvo Rick L Olson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsChrissi Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Scroll to the bottom of the page then back up about 7 pictures, we extended 4 ft http://www.cozygirrrl.com/redflyer/redflyer.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sculptor Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 5 hours ago, rickndeb1125 said: You can go to comfortridehitch.com look under photos at bottom of facebook page and see my stretch, only thing is I hinged my tail end to drop down as loading ramp. Silver volvo Hi Rick, were you at the ECR this year? I never got to look up close at your deck mechanism. Do you have a work in progress blog by any chance? Kevin Kevin and June 2013 Volvo VNL 730 D13 Eco-Torque @ 425 Ratio 2.47 2014 DRV 36TKSB3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenandjon Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 11/1/2017 at 12:29 PM, rickndeb1125 said: You can go to comfortridehitch.com look under photos at bottom of facebook page and see my stretch, only thing is I hinged my tail end to drop down as loading ramp. Silver volvo That don't whip the trailer around with the 5th wheel so far behind the rear axle? How does that effect backing into a spot compared to having the 5th wheel farther ahead? Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 6-7 feet behind the last tractor is doable depending on the trailer setup- pin weight, distance to axle etc. As far as backing, having the hitch to the rear allows the 5th wheel to act as a bumper pull. Much more maneuverable. Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runaway parents Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Am I creating a problem buy moving this hitch 6-7 feet back? That's why I went with a fifth wheel to get away from the fish tailing that goes on with a bumper pull. I need to here from you guys and gals an get your opinion on how your rig handles . I like the lack of the white knuckle effect that comes with this rig and don't want to go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewhoknowslittle Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Mine is over 6 feet behind the axle, and no fish tailing, unless I whip the wheel on the truck and yes I have had to do that once, but the trailer did not control the truck, I just needed to get my tired $hit together. Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Dreamer Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 hours ago, runaway parents said: Am I creating a problem buy moving this hitch 6-7 feet back? That's why I went with a fifth wheel to get away from the fish tailing that goes on with a bumper pull. I need to here from you guys and gals an get your opinion on how your rig handles . I like the lack of the white knuckle effect that comes with this rig and don't want to go back. We are at 6' behind our single axle and can go 8' but have not tried that yet. If you leave it tandem you should have no problems handling wise but your overall length may cause some issues in some states if you get over max length (and they decide to enforce it) and trying to get in some campgrounds but you just have to do more looking for the right spot. 2005 Freightliner Century S/T, Singled, Air ride ET Jr. hitch 2019 46'+ Dune Sport Man Cave custom 5th wheel toy hauler Owner of the 1978 Custom Van "Star Dreamer" which might be seen at a local car show near you! Check out http://www.hhrvresource.com/ for much more info on HDT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickman81 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 11/1/2017 at 1:29 PM, rickndeb1125 said: You can go to comfortridehitch.com look under photos at bottom of facebook page and see my stretch, only thing is I hinged my tail end to drop down as loading ramp. Silver volvo Is this it? Jim Noob entertaining the idea of an HDT and 5'ver. I like big trucks and I cannot lie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickman81 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 11/1/2017 at 1:29 PM, rickndeb1125 said: You can go to comfortridehitch.com look under photos at bottom of facebook page and see my stretch, only thing is I hinged my tail end to drop down as loading ramp. Silver volvo Is this it? Jim Noob entertaining the idea of an HDT and 5'ver. I like big trucks and I cannot lie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickman81 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 11/1/2017 at 1:29 PM, rickndeb1125 said: You can go to comfortridehitch.com look under photos at bottom of facebook page and see my stretch, only thing is I hinged my tail end to drop down as loading ramp. Silver volvo Is this it? Jim Noob entertaining the idea of an HDT and 5'ver. I like big trucks and I cannot lie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runaway parents Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 7 hours ago, Stickman81 said: Is this it? Nope not mine bed is still being built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 The above pics are Rick Olson. Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I have measured a few motorhomes with tail swings in excess of 14 Ft towing three axle 15K stacker trailers and they were stable when I trailed them over fairly twisty & hilly two lane outback highways........bus's tend to be fairly stable tow rigs.... Drive on........(Loooong wheelbase.......tend to be stable) 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Those doing 6-8' overhangs with the hitch at the back need to consider their weights and measures carefully. It is totally dependent on the weights involve, if you are tandem or single, and your specific truck loading. I'd have DT run some numbers for you before doing a long extension with the hitch at the back - especially if you have a heavy pin weight (eg. 6,000lbs+) Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyretired Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 My truck is tandem and the hitch is 9' from the center of the 2 axles. We built this setup many years ago. It drives fine and stable and I love the weight on the rear axles. With the air lockers it has gotten us out of some serious places, where friends needed a 4x4. I don't think this type of setup would work as well singled. The pin weight is about 4,500. Randy 2001 Volvo VNL 42 Cummins ISX Autoshift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runaway parents Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 7 hours ago, Jack Mayer said: Those doing 6-8' overhangs with the hitch at the back need to consider their weights and measures carefully. It is totally dependent on the weights involve, if you are tandem or single, and your specific truck loading. I'd have DT run some numbers for you before doing a long extension with the hitch at the back - especially if you have a heavy pin weight (eg. 6,000lbs+) Hi Jack here's what I am planning to do . I have a 20 ft orchard flat bed I have rebuilt it and re shaped. Beaver tailed the rear six ft and have 14ft of flat deck. In the beaver tail I have a compartment built out of 1/2 inch plate steel to accommodate fifth wheel hitch. I am planning to haul a 2017 jeep renegade on it. Pin weaight on trailer is 1400 lbs. Pulling a 31 ft 2011 keystone copper canyon. Still planning to remain tandem. All along I was under the understanding that this was not going to change the way the trailer pulled.(no fish tailing) half way into a bed build and several thousand dollars invested I read a comment ." when extended, trailers back like a bumper mount hitch." Talk about a way to put a halt on a bed build. Had bad experiences pulling bumper pulled trailers. Hopefully I am I am just over reacting. Just need some reassurance this will work fine Thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Rod Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Big difference between towing a big bumper pull trailer with a pickup truck, and pulling what is effectively a "bumper pull" setup with an hdt. In the first case your trailer far outweighed your short wheelbase pickup, in the second case your long wheelbase truck will outweigh your relatively small fifth. The other posters example of backing like a bumper pull was to illustrate the lateral swing your setup will have to help maneuver the trailer while backing. The lateral swing will push the front of the trailer around with far far less steering the truck vs. a fifth mounted over the axles. That was all. On my mdt I wish I have put the hitch back 3' or so instead of my setup over the axle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifted Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 To put it in perspective....I have a 6' extension on my truck, similar to what you are doing. Then I have an AirSafe Class 5 receiver on the back of that (adding additional length). Pulling a ~10k lbs 36' long travel trailer with a roughly 1k lbs tongue weight. Carrying anything from a sedan to a large truck on the bed of the truck. Zero issues with stability. It is rock solid. No fish tailing, no trailer swaying, nothing. Regardless of wind direction, grade, camber, ruts or turns. Your planned setup will pull the trailer's pivot point significantly farther forward than mine, and you have a shorter trailer. So, you should expect to exceed my towing stability. The comments about the fifth wheel trailing backing up like a travel trailer were meant to highlight one of the benefits of having the hitch placed further behind the rear axles. It makes backing up much easier than with the hitch over the rear axle. You can swing the trailer into tight spots with less movement of the steering wheel. It's a benefit, not a detriment. I've experienced instability with pulling tag-along trailers, so I know what you're talking about. Have no fear, you won't have that experience with the setup that you're planning. Please do post photos, though. I would love to see the progress and finished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runaway parents Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Thanks for the reassurance .Dw (my accountant)feels better about this also. So the build is back on. I have a lot of pics I can post. Kids (the computer wizards)are coming over for Thankgiving . They will help me post some. I can build buildings from the ground up weld up a storm but when it comes to these computers. When one thing goes out of whack it is time to call the kids. Keep in mind this bed is a 35 year old bed I found out in the middle of an apple orchard. Pretty ruff when I bought it. With a little elbow grease it is cleaning up nicely. WII try to post some pics shortly after turkey day . Might try sooner last time I did turned into a hair pulling event. So we will see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Runaway....you will not have any real stability issues with that setup. You may feel some induced movement in the trailer if yanking the wheel on the truck around while at highway speeds. But nothing really much. Your weights would not concern me at all. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runaway parents Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Thanks Jack sounds great .Time to get back to building a bed.And a little less worrying. Building this bed outside. Forecast snow tonight. Might shut me down for a while. Almost have it framed up going to wait till spring to install diamond plaiting .Want to have access to structural steel to clean an possibly sand blast for painting. To cold for that now. Like a kid with a new toy. Its going to be a long winter. Thanks again guys for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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