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Both stories quoted above make sense as far as they go and either may explain why a person moves to despair. But neither explain why people are resorting to the mass shootings as a way of dealing with the despair. Many men have felt alone and depressed. Many people have had psychotic breaks. But they have not then engaged in a mass shootings in the past. That's still the huge missing link.

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15 hours ago, theeyres said:

Both stories quoted above make sense as far as they go and either may explain why a person moves to despair. But neither explain why people are resorting to the mass shootings as a way of dealing with the despair. Many men have felt alone and depressed. Many people have had psychotic breaks. But they have not then engaged in a mass shootings in the past. That's still the huge missing link.

Maybe accessibility of guns capable of rapid firing are that link?

Linda Sand

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2 hours ago, sandsys said:

Maybe accessibility of guns capable of rapid firing are that link?

Nope. That law is already in place. Automatic fire rifles have been outlawed for decades. Do you think people who want to buy guns like that obey laws? You can't legislate behavior and responsibility into people. That's what people who are once again over reacting to a tragic event are asking for. Legislating that criminals will suddenly start obeying laws and say "Well, the liberals new laws say I can't have this gun, so...." There are also already laws against killing people, aren't there? And 32,000 die every year. Are more laws that can't/won't be enforced going to help anything?

In my city last night, a guy was run over by a car driven buy a guy who blew a .24. There are laws against DUI. There are laws against vehicular homicide. Do you want to take away my car because someone else drove drunk? 

I continue to say this and nobody seems to get the concept. And "this", is this:

I will take you to lunch at the mall food court of your choice. We will sit for 90 minutes from 11:30 to 1pm. The lunch rush. During that period, you will have a legal pad and a pen. So will I. During that 90 minutes, you watch the people who walk past you who, in 2021, will snap and take a rifle up a clock tower and start shooting people, and write down the color of the shirt or jacket they are wearing. I will do the same, After that 90 minutes, we can exchange pads. Mine will be empty. Yours should be too.

What all of the gun grabbers and grandstanding politicians want to do is legislate a way to see into the future and know who is going to do something like this. That is really what it comes down to. Most of them have never bought a gun, do not really know the process, and surely do not understand disqualifying circumstances and conditions. Near the top of the list is "anybody who has received inpatient mental health care". So that pretty much shoots that argument, as there is already a law in place for that. Additionally, anyone ever convicted of a felony, a DUI, anyone under 18, anyone on the no fly list, anyone convicted of domestic violence, anyone with an outstanding warrant (officially worded "fugitive from justice"), and illegal aliens. There are more that are pretty much just a restatement of those. So I ask you, what else would you like to legislate against?

The current buzzword this week is "bump fire stock". That is the thing the anti 2A gun grabbers want to get next. Once again, none of them have ever fired a gun with a bump feed stock. I have. I can guarantee you that this wing nut did NOT use semi-automatic AR-15s with bump feed stocks. At the distance he was from the kill zone, he would not have been able to hit a TRUCK with an AR-15 fitting with a bump stock. The recoil on those bump stock fitted rifles is SO severe that he would not have hit anything. They also made a big deal to make sure to mention bipod shooting stands. Nope! A bipod is used to defeat the recoil. The bump fire stock relies on it. They cancel each other out. Also, a bipod when used to steady an automatic fire rifle "walks" all over the place. Using a bipod on a bench is typically done by laying sandbags on the legs so they can't walk. He allegedly was shooting from a hotel room window ledge That does not add up in the real world.

There were videos with sound. From those sounds, as one with perfect pitch, I head guns firing on three different frequencies. Once was dramatically higher than the other 2, which were very close, but they were absolutely 3 different guns. Also note that the echoes, which should have been one echo image for one causal image, did not line up. At one spot, there was a burst of fire that was about 90 rounds. There were about 45-50 echoes. There should have been 90 echoes that were exactly the same. Echoes can't pick and choose which images will be sent back to the source. 

Much the media is holding back to push the liberals gun control agenda. They did not care about sacrificing human lives to do it. If this guy was involved, he did not act alone. I suspect he shot nobody and was a fall guy. Note the absence of ballistics reporting. Where was the suicide entry wound? What caliber was it? What were the calibers of the rounds that hit the people? Speculation said 7.62 rifle rounds, yet people were claiming that others were playing human shield and the "shielder" was killed and they were not even wounded? Well, 7.62 rounds can go through cinder blocks, sandbags, metal.... I know it can go through a body which is essentially soft tissue and liquid. Some of this you just need to accept if you are not involved with shooting. I have been shooting since teh military years which ended in 1973.

Much being withheld from us. The country needs to wake up and the liberals and the Antifa thugs they are funding are doing. Their goal is to disarm the citizens, and then they can take over using the same stormtrooper tactics they currently claim to despise. History is indeed repeating itself.

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Alex Jones is a blowfish. I speak from personal experience. I know firearms very well. Perhaps there are some here with more experience that I have, but I have been shooting a long time and I own a few firearms. Interestingly enough, none of my guns have ever jumped out of the cabinet where they lives and headed down the street looking for someone to shoot. It doesn't take more than keen insight and reading comprehension to see  that the media gives us dots and allows people to connect  them any way they like.

They said he "had a dozen bump stocks". (I quoted that because the correct terms is slide fire stock.) Did they ever say "And he was using AR-15s with bump stocks to KILL 58 people?" No. They let you make that deduction, because obviously if the single shooter narrative holds, he was alone in the room. They are using the power of suggestion to lead the readers to the conclusion they want them to have.

How about "He was down in the casino gambling large amounts of money before the shooting." And they leave you to choose a path, one of which is "A HA!!! He must have lost a ton of money and he was mad and wanted to take it out on somebody so he shot all those people." Nobody KNOWS that, but the media leads you there.

If there is a blueberry pie on the counter, little Johnny was home alone, you come home and the pie is half eaten and little Johnny has blueberry all over his face, while you can't prove he ate it unless you have video, you at least have something circumstantial. Here  they have a dead guy in a room, and everything else is speculation. They can't even say for sure he shot himself. Is it not possible, in the theory of all is possible until proven impossible,  that someone else shot him, did the 11 minutes of mass shooting, escaped through another door in the suite, and left him there to be the sacrificial lamb? I mean, once the cops had HIM, they stopped looking, right, because they had the guy who did it. Once you find your lost keys, you stop looking for them.

Jesus the security guard was shot with a 7.62 round, and they went at lengths to inform us that he was shot through the door and a 7.62 round is armor piercing (only partially true, but yes it can be). Had Paddock killed himself with a 7.62 rifle round, his head would have been blown off his body. A 7.62 round at point black range is ridiculously evil. With no report on what kind of round killed Paddock, we are left to imagine and theorize.

I am curious about ow many people on the forum are hobby shooters. If so, feel free to PM me as I would like to compare notes with you offline.

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Just  do a little reserch Santuarey Citys have higher rates of violence than non Santuarey citys. Places like Chicago are more dangerus than war zones. So far this year 535 deaths have been ruled homicides in the city. This has more to do with not inforcing the law than acess to guns. Did making drugs illegal stop them from importing drugs?

Bill

 

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Gun grabbers hang their hat on "32,000 people die every year from guns". If they presented that WHOLE fact and to just the part that fits their agenda, it would then say "24,000 of them are gang and/or drug related, and 6000 are suicides."  I guess 32,000 sounds more shocking to the people. 

Visit this link to follow a running tally on  Chicago. Currently at 550 homicides, 510 shot. Yet mayor Rahm Emmanuel says "We have it under control". Note that Illinois has the strictest gun laws in the country. Gin grabbers will then say that the thugs are crossing the border into Indiana and buying guns. They are lying to you. Step one for a gun purchase is "Let me see your ID please." If the ID is from another state, that stops the deal. The next thing they say is "People who CAN buy guns legally are buying them in Indiana and then bringing them to Illinois and selling. Yep. They are. There is also already a law against that. So the logic is that ANOTHER law will be the one that the straw gun purchasers will obey?

I get that people get frustrated when people get killed like in Vegas. However, most of those people know little to nothing about gun law outside of what they read on the internet, and what you read on the internet is not a complete representation.

Eddie the broken record will repeat "You can't legislate human behavior. Law does not prevent. Law punishes. Outside of the law the prevents a felon, an illegal alien, a wife beater, a DUI offender, a former inpatient mental health care patient, or a fugitive from justice from buying a gun. THAT law prevents." Ironic, huh?

I can't debate this with people who do not understand gun law and/or are afraid of guns. Guns are completely safe in the hands of an owner who has been trained in gun safety and respects the law. I am now out of this one.

Other than to add that "gun free zones" are open invitations to people who want to kill, because they know nobody there is armed to fight back.  Disarming the people will let the animals run the zoo. Be careful what you wish for.

Think about this as I sign off this thread. If I am with a big group of you at an RVers dinner night somewhere and some jackass runs in with a pistol, sees a bunch of 60+ people at a table, thinks it's easy pickoings and wants to rob everybody, will you be happy or sad I have a gun when I pull it out and neutralize the threat while police are on the way? A gun is of no value if the holder won't pull it when lives are in danger. And that is the ONLY TIME to pull it is when life or lives are in danger. They are not for show and tell. They are for personal protection. That is what the law allows. Personal protection. Anything else is ALREADY COVERED by laws that don't prevent anything.

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But all this discussion about guns is really off topic. The issue is why are so many people using guns to do mass killings? Nobody can deny, I think, that this is a new trend.

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10 hours ago, theeyres said:

But all this discussion about guns is really off topic...

True, but for some it seems that even using the term son-of-a-gun brings out all the  NRA talking points and their belief that all these mass shootings are "false flag" events.

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14 hours ago, theeyres said:

The issue is why are so many people using guns to do mass killings? 

Probably because if they tried it with a knife they would get taken to the ground and stomped to death. People like whoever did this in Vegas are essentially cowards who will only become aggressive when there is no chance of retaliation. This is why I always look at this kind of an event that ends with apparent suicide by the perpetrator with a jaded eye. Since nobody knows what happened, there remains a possibility that there were 2 other people shooting that killed Paddock, possibly a patsy, before the shooting even started. Assumptions based on media, in any direction, are just opinions. This will likely never be truly solved. My issue is this. That hotel has video and audio coverage on EVERY SQUARE FOOT, even in the rooms. Nobody will ever convince me that the 32nd floor hallways wasn't on video somewhere, so if there were other shooters who escaped through a side entry, they are on video somewhere. The sheriff is falling all over himself thus far.

It all comes down to one thing for me. The guns didn't do it.

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17 hours ago, WILDEBILL308 said:

Did making drugs illegal stop them from importing drugs?

Did prohibition of alcohol work?

Criminals, by definition, ignore laws.

 

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BINGO, Linda. More gun laws will just be more laws that criminals ignore and are only enforced against gun owners who are not criminals, those who have a sense of right and wrong who obey the law.

NOTHING the liberal gun grabbing crew who go on the news and crow after every shooting event is even new, much less possibly effective.

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