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Interesting articles here on Volvo pushing into the electric car market.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40505671

The announcement states that they plan to introduce five fully electric models between 2019 and 2021.  2019 is only 18 months away.  They must have those five models already designed and tested to make that sort of claim. 

The article below goes on to state that as of 2019 any new Volvo models will either be fully electric or hybrid(gas/electric).

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/business/energy-environment/volvo-hybrid-electric-car.html

It's also interesting to note that Volvo is owned by a Chinese electric car maker. 

 

Jim

 

 

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Jim,

I'd read about Volvo going full electric since yesterday and I was shocked that they were leading into the new era from Sweden. Looks like the rise of the BEV will happen on schedule.

Thanks for the articles!

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According to a guy on the radio today, we will all be driving electric cars by 2030..there no longer be car dealerships, etc....all the cars will be corporation owned..and trucks will be un manned (or woman-ed)..

Other than thinking that electric cars create a massive carbon footprint at the moment and are totally useless for folks that do not live in city center my son dropped this one on me...  and he is an electrician.

Charging of electric cars like we do on a minor bases now is ok..  but if we wrap up the number to a large scale, the charging infrastructure will become a nightmare.  

At the present time, neither windmill nor solar power is even remotely commercially viable. My area produces a lot of it's energy with coal...

The future will be interesting..

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France announced today that they will be ICE free by 2040. (ICE=Internal Combustion Engine)

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9 hours ago, RV_ said:

France announced today that they will be ICE free by 2040. (ICE=Internal Combustion Engine)

Good, they'll just need more power plants to provide all that free electricity.

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36 minutes ago, markandkim said:

Good, they'll just need more power plants to provide all that free electricity.

Scientists pretty much agree that nuclear fusion is about 10-years out.  Vehicle manufacturers will be left holding buggy whips if they are not in the running right now.

And it's not just fusion.  Universities have made tremendous advances in battery, solar and hydrogen fuel research.
The race is on for clean renewable energy.  It's simply a matter of time.

 

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3 hours ago, Rich&Sylvia said:

Scientists pretty much agree that nuclear fusion is about 10-years out.  Vehicle manufacturers will be left holding buggy whips if they are not in the running right now.

And it's not just fusion.  Universities have made tremendous advances in battery, solar and hydrogen fuel research.
The race is on for clean renewable energy.  It's simply a matter of time.

 

Great, I can't wait. As long as I can tow with it.

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This one's got 10 of the 18.  No, of course you'll never find a pure plug in unless it is catenary.  Or the truck has an 18 minute route.  They all still need to be range extended somehow.

 

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Mark,

Here is Tesla's all electric truck to be unveiled in September:

https://electrek.co/2017/04/13/tesla-semi-all-electric-truck-september-elon-musk/

Here is the Danish BE truck:

https://www.einride.eu/#/

BMW has a short hauler that does 62 miles:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/bmw-all-electric-semi-truck-pictures-news-tractor-trailers/

Here is the Hydrogen powered Nikola One

https://nikolamotor.com/one

Let's get some context in here.

Ford has one BEV the Focus electric for $30k base price which gets 115 miles per charge. Rly?

http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/2017/models/focus-electric/?gnav=vhpnav

The Bolt is priced at $39k base before incentives.

http://www.chevrolet.com/byo-vc/client/en/US/chevrolet/bolt-ev/2017/bolt-ev/interior?ss=H4sIAAAAAAAAAIWQPw6CUAzGP6h%2FBgluXoALGBZ0BAJIBAkIC3F1dfIAnsoTeBgXz6Ct%2BmqMg03a9%2F3a99rmAZgBxzOGtyvs%2FQF2t4XkvtjaXUrrBAtiDsgvWlCymYPKMgWlyRKUZREobALQqvJBecWYRQsOQc0h7EFx1N7ZANPH8zwWr7bPpgrSSIHffUDGKshkBZmhIEsoyDIKsrJC2zV8jESyT%2FGuqHBh7sm32OwD9okpOz%2FCNWIMHyFi5FijQG%2FS%2F%2BwBXRD5E5EBAAA%3D

However it is only available in a few cities for now, and they say we will have them to buy by September 2017. That is almost a year and a half later than they said, and in March of 2016 they said full production in December 2016. MY local Shreveport (second largest city in Louisiana) and Bossier City Chevy stealerships told me over the phone the third time I called to try a test drive that they decided not to ever carry them????

The Tesla Model 3 is $35k before incentives.

https://www.tesla.com/model3

There are no other BEVs with over 200 miles of range sold in the US. The leaf was rumored to be coming out with an over 200 mile range this year but that turns out to be another vaporware claim.

https://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/?dcp=psn.58700002283343270&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=N_Brand Model_Leaf_Exact&utm_term=2017 nissan leaf sl&utm_content=Model Year&gclid=CNGZ-Z7t_NQCFWWWMgodRHgF1A&gclsrc=ds&dclid=CJiN_J7t_NQCFRmvTwodyMAPxw

However due to demand it will be mid 2018 at the earliest unless there are a lot of cancellations.

BYD and others are already producing electric buses.

 

 

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Hey guys,

Granted the tractor does not have 18 wheels. But if you want to get technical none of the trucks are semis either. The tractors have rear wheels. The misnomer Semi is what the trailer is called because it is only half a trailer by virtue of only having one set of wheels at the back of the trailer. And by that nomenclature my fiver and most other travel trailers are also semis.

Scrap, Catenary large vehicles are nothing new. I grew up in Stamford Connecticut in the 50s and 60s before Joining the AF in January 1971 to avoid the draft. Most of our trains were powered by overhead electric Caternary lines. see here:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=electric+commuter+trains&id=D609E297BE2C47830EB49C1743A539F06E7B218F&FORM=IQFRBA

And no Scrap, wait until September and the unveiling of the Tesla BEV tractor. They will be following that with a BEV pickup.

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I guess a BEV motor home is not too far off.

Proterra American made electric bus with 251 mile range and a less than 3.5 hour full charge time. The warranty is only Complete Bus – 1 year or 50,000 miles and a 6 year Battery Warranty.

https://www.proterra.com/products/35-foot-catalyst/

Greenpower specs chart:

http://www.greenpowerbus.com/product-line/

From four days ago:

China revises electric-car incentives to reward longer ranges:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111330_china-revises-electric-car-incentives-to-reward-longer-ranges

While the rest of the American auto industry slumbers, China is set to become the biggest BEV maker in the world. Thank goodness for American through and through Tesla.

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On 7/5/2017 at 8:10 AM, Five Wood said:

Interesting articles here on Volvo pushing into the electric car market.

The topic is "electric car market".
It generally takes 20 years for a new technology to fully develop.  I don't know where we are along that time line regarding electric vehicles.  We're certainly not at point zero.

The Wright Brothers or Henry Ford would be amazed - as would early oil drillers.  
It is fun to track the progress of electric vehicles.  Since electric cars and trains are already here (maybe less so in the US) it's not hard to imagine electric 18-wheelers.  

Though, it is hard to imagine anything that would make me give up my diesel 6-wheeler truck in the near future.

 

 

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Wow,

Great old BEV pics and specs! Ron I'd never seen that one from F. R. Wood and Son from 1900.

Rich,

You asked:

"It generally takes 20 years for a new technology to fully develop.  I don't know where we are along that time line regarding electric vehicles.  We're certainly not at point zero."

We are in year 14 as Tesla motors, now Tesla Inc. was founded in 2003. Five years from founding to producing their first vehicle, the Amazing Tesla Roadster in 2008. Then four years later the Model S in 2012. Then three later in September 2015 the Model X went into production. Two years after that the Model 3 came out in July 2017.

Tesla will reveal their semi tractor in September of 2017 and the Model Y (Pickup?) will follow.

The competition has had 9 years since seeing the first Tesla on the road in full production and only Nissan had a BEV two years later in 2010. GM claims to be in full production of their Bolt but they won't be available until September 2017 according to their regional HQ in Dallas by phone. MY local dealers in Shreveport and Bossier City LA both say they will not be carrying it, so no local dealer.

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I saw where the Tesla truck group applied for a NV permit to test autonomous and platooning....  Maybe that is how they range extend - by latching onto the back of a diesel truck? :D

I know RV and I have talked about it before, but I think it is pretty safe to pin the start of electric car technology when AC Propulsion introduced the AC-150 in mid-1994.  Without that or its inverter technology the world would be a bunch of DC electrics nobody would want.  ACP's 2-way charging may just be the next step if it takes off.

I read an interesting article recently that compared an EV-1 to electrics of today (non-Tesla).  EV-1 range was 70-90 mi, which is right up there with Leaf's, Smart Cars, MEV's, Honda Fit's, etc.  0-60 was 9 seconds, right up there with the Leaf.  It's big downside was the 15 hour charge, but put any of them on a 110v charger and it is going to take forever.  So even though technology has moved on the 20 year old car could hold its own on the road today.  Mainstream Level 2 chargers and superchargers and the like, however, are where the dramatic improvements have been made.  And that is why electric (or even H2) trucks always end up entering the conversation.  Their economies of scale are so large that they are going to force more filling stations, more large charger installations, etc, etc, that they'll make the infrastructure of electric cars that much easier to go mainstream.  

To add to that, the two range extended electric trucks I'm building this year have been a hell of a lot easier to do over even the truck from two years ago.  Even electric truck #1 from 2009 stopped by and got a complete overhaul in under 3 weeks.  So many, many more parts and harnesses are production tooled and ready to go.  I wouldn't say you can buy them off the shelf but you sure don't have to hand make them yourself anymore.  So whatever the two new electric trucks are doing it sure is helping out the infrastructure for everyone else.  Hopefully they keep it going.

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7 hours ago, RV_ said:

Tesla brought us over the tipping point. They will keep charging ahead.

some good resources on this thread. Also, was "charging ahead" a EV joke?  

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On 7/6/2017 at 5:23 PM, Grassy said:

According to a guy on the radio today, we will all be driving electric cars by 2030..there no longer be car dealerships, etc....all the cars will be corporation owned..and trucks will be un manned (or woman-ed)..

Other than thinking that electric cars create a massive carbon footprint at the moment and are totally useless for folks that do not live in city center my son dropped this one on me...  and he is an electrician.

Charging of electric cars like we do on a minor bases now is ok..  but if we wrap up the number to a large scale, the charging infrastructure will become a nightmare.  

At the present time, neither windmill nor solar power is even remotely commercially viable. My area produces a lot of it's energy with coal...

The future will be interesting..

I have a "solar" off-grid home. My wife owns a oil company stock. We got sued by environmental groups while I was working for the Forest Service and the taxpayers paid for my education on the electrical grid in the Northwest.

With all that....solar does not generate enough power to be a viable energy source for this country. Wind generates more energy but storage and environmental effects are a major issue. There is NO WAY Industrial Wind Areas would be approved without the substantial political pressure from above.

Solar and Wind really mess up the electrical grid at this time. Without storage capacity, wind and solar throw all sorts of monkey wrenches into the grid. So far, no solution except that Federal tax subsides and payments are really having a negative effect in the Northwest.

Coal will probably be replaced with natural gas in the next decade or two. It fits better with the highs and lows produced by wind and solar installations. Really you cannot have wind and solar right now without natural gas generation of electricity. In Calfornia, the current balance is for every three units of wind and solar, seven units of natural gas generation have to come on line for solar and wind to work. California now has a excess supply of electricity and is paying neighboring states to take electricity when the sun shines and the wind blows. 

For urban areas electric cars that are automanous do make sense. My gut sense is that within ten years you will NOT be able to drive a car in urban areas unless the computer is doing it for you. Most of those vehicles will be electric and probably not owned by you. The oil companies are planning for electric vehicles to take over urban areas.

Outside of urban areas there is NO substitute for diesel or gas engines. The good news is that you will probably have a computer back up your trailer for you.

It will be interesting. I am really looking forward to self-driving cars. The rest of it....is probably no big deal to the average retired person. Bu those truck driving jobs are gong away.

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