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'We have to pass it to find out what's in it" Anytime a politician says this it is trouble. Any bill longer than a dozen pages is trouble. The Govt. is not your friend, they want to control your life and stay in power.

 

Title II, the "Common Carrier" section of the Communications Act of 1934 that the FCC just extended to include Internet service, with the latest amendments occurring with the Telecommunications Act of 1996, has been around more than long enough for anyone interested to read what's in it.

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'We have to pass it to find out what's in it" Anytime a politician says this it is trouble. Any bill longer than a dozen pages is trouble. The Govt. is not your friend, they want to control your life and stay in power.

 

In case you didn't look lately, "the government" is you and I and everyone who votes for representatives to do our bidding. "They" are "us". And I do want to control me.

 

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Barb - MY DW got a chuckle out of that one! She says she wants to control me as well... (She keeps pointing a remote at me pushing the mute button!)

 

I would have enjoyed Will Rogers take on all of this. He had a unique way of getting us to think, using humor to do so...

 

I always enjoy his 'one liner's' - and reread them a few times a year.

 

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Will_Rogers

 

Sometimes we just need to laugh about ourselves, including 'our' government - to offset when we feel like crying, or yelling:)!

 

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Good one Smitty! Will Rogers lost at war is one with many of the great minds and artists taken from us too soon. My favorite wasn't in your quotes:

 

“It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so”

Will Rogers quotes (American entertainer, famous for his pithy and homespun humour, 1879-1935)

 

I also love Mark Twain for the same reasons:

 

Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.

Mark Twain

 

The man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them.

Mark Twain

 

Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

Mark Twain

 

 

 

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My gut reaction is that net neutrality insures that the internet as we know it today remains just that.

 

The downside is that it stifles ingenuity and VC's who would continue to change it into something that none of us ever imagined. Let me know how it's working out while your self driving car keeps buffering due to lack of bandwidth.

 

The internet and all of it's trappings are in their infancy.

 

I pray that it doesn't remain there.

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In case you didn't look lately, "the government" is you and I and everyone who votes for representatives to do our bidding. "They" are "us". And I do want to control me.

 

Barb

You must be one of those that got to "keep your doctor". I have been involved in that Air Quality, Water Quality, Weights&Measures construction stuff and I'm here to tell ya'. The folks that will be in charge, might have a degree, but don't have the brains to pour p#$@ out of a boot with the directions on the heel. Oh yeah, I forgot how the deregulation of the phone (Ma Bell) fixed things, why, I remember when my phone bill was so very high, you know like $16.50 a month. Watch your back folks. I know some of you folks know much more about this than I, but I can't help but wonder??? Thought I better hurry and make these comments while I still had the chance. Hope I'm wrong! Dick T

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Dick,

 

I was one of "those people in charge" - I was involved in EH&S work for 20+ years. I've walked more construction sites, climbed more scaffolds, and closed down more sites because of either environmental or safety reasons than I care to remember. And why was I needed, because of contractors who thought they could cut corners in order to make a little more money. Never had a person die on any site where I was involved and very few accidents. And I never had to read the directions in order to know how to pour anything out of a boot - - but then I also know how to keep from getting anything except my foot into that boot. :P

 

I remember when fuel was 25¢ a gallon. What does what you paid when you had Ma Bell have to do with anything today? I also remember that you only called 'long distance' when someone died and that when anyone used long distance the timer was set and the conversation was extremely short. In fact I can even remember when there was no dial on our first phone, you just picked it up and told them who you wanted to call.

 

And yes, I did get to keep my physician.

 

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Dick,

 

I was one of "those people in charge" - I was involved in EH&S work for 20+ years. I've walked more construction sites, climbed more scaffolds, and closed down more sites because of either environmental or safety reasons than I care to remember. And why was I needed, because of contractors who thought they could cut corners in order to make a little more money. Never had a person die on any site where I was involved and very few accidents. And I never had to read the directions in order to know how to pour anything out of a boot - - but then I also know how to keep from getting anything except my foot into that boot. :P

 

I remember when fuel was 25¢ a gallon. What does what you paid when you had Ma Bell have to do with anything today? I also remember that you only called 'long distance' when someone died and that when anyone used long distance the timer was set and the conversation was extremely short. In fact I can even remember when there was no dial on our first phone, you just picked it up and told them who you wanted to call.

 

And yes, I did get to keep my physician.

 

Barb

Barb,

Thanks for making this a safer world! I was in the agriculture business for 35+ years, and found it so great when the OSHA boys came and informed me how to sharpen a screw driver (not too sharp), but didn't even know what a Phillips screw driver was. Did you ever drive a nail, pour that concrete? Meet a budget, or who paid your wages, surely not "we the people". Just sayin'. BTW, I bought gas for 17 cents, and I still appreciate all your comments, because we must be OLD.

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Count me as a progressive too. And I was also an enforcer of AFOSHA, the AF version where the AF inspectors and functional managers tacked on even more since the civilians didn't have CFRs secret or not that covered the care and handling of nuclear weapons, along with many others. My first five years was as a Medic and scrub tech when they got short because I knew the instruments when I worked in our hospital sterile supply and ran all the reusable needles and glass syringes through the autoclaves. We had exacting rules for every load that had to be followed. I also was the hospital plant infection control monitor. I had to take cultures of beds and walls, toilets and halls, water and then run them and report them. Later I cross trained into medical lab technologist, even had to go to school for it. Just the QC on shift change or start up, like the titrations we had to do monthly to be sure the calibrations on the spectrophotometers, Vitek culture growth and identification, scales, blood machines and checking the distilled water from our stills and that is a tiny partial idea of the tests we ran on the machines we used to test the body tissues and fluids. Then I cross trained again into Small arms Marksmanship training. We were the folks who taught every one to shoot all the hand, shoulder, small medium and heavy machine guns, shoulder launched rockets, mortars and more. We had to maintain secure armories to store our weapons, bunkers and other weapons storage, gunsmith shops, heavy and hand lawn equipment, and our own assigned vehicle pool of Humvees, deuce and a half trucks, trailers and tractors. Since we shot lead projectiles and rockets we were required to maintain vertical danger zones and monitor them visually during firing so a tourist in Cessna didn't get hit by vertical ricochets.

 

All of those like Barb's were codified in inch and a half thick CFRs, Codes of Federal Regulations. I had to know them all and comply with all of the above but then had to comply with a whole new set of federal rules whenever we transported munitions, explosives, high risk weapons, over public roads and highways. These regs included what guard weapons we must have and how many depending on the risk level assessed by number and types.

 

I had eye injuries when people thought no one would see and they'd not wear their eye protection. One guy who I wrote up twice and was going to recommend article 15 punishment if he did it again. He did disobey me changing a zero turn mower tire. The tire tool slipped and was flung into his eye. Another when bad ammo threw back unburned powder into his eye when he disobeyed and left eye protection on the bench.

 

When you shoot you get dirty weapons and have to have all sorts of nasty solvents, oils, chemicals, and used rags and patches to dispose of safely. We had to maintain the ranges so we handled hammers and power tools.

 

Today folks make a fuss when they are checked and think that it would be better if the rules were relaxed. Horse hockey. If you can't do your job so as not to endanger yourself or those around you as a professional or a laborer or anything in between, don't come crying to the professionals who enforce them and see the complainers. If there are any Navy folks they can tell you exactly how much lubrication oil it takes to foul their entire water supply aboard ship. Yeah there are bad inspectors in every field. The 20/80 Pareto Principle applies. Both to inspectors and inspectees.

 

If one can't do their job safely, and professionally, don't come to folks who are professionals expecting our commiseration. I've worked as a builder too, the IBC is there for a reason. I have seen substandard work many times. For those who think there is some validity to all government rules being bad and all the tradesmen and transport workers are saddled with onerous regulation do just this for an education. Sit in the state contractors court day and watch for a day. You'll see every kind of scammer and incompetent there throughout the day. I invited my inspectors out any time. We kept up with our professional schooling and journals. Oh yes we have to, in the military conduct tests on new types of cleaners and lubricants, gunpowders and radical rifle, pistol, shotgun, grenade launcher ammo and designs.

 

Yep, I'd like my successors to be checked and inspected. And hopefully, like some here and in my units, they can't be bought or intimidated. I submit there is a much higher percent per capita of inspectees endangering by cutting corners, than bad inspectors.

 

I have read around here on occasion that old saw about us college boys not being able to build or do what the complainers can do. Sorry but most of us inspecting are not the admin types but the workers and builders who got it, loved it, and decided to go to school nights to make a difference in the safety and craftsmanship today. And believe me, as much as I enjoyed being the branch chief of my unit or division, life was much easier when others had the desk pilot jobs, and all I had to worry about was me.

 

Check your premises. Lot of us blue collar tradesmen and masters of our craft, passed it on by teaching and inspecting even. As Barb and others said so well we are the gummint! And we will always get the gummint we deserve, if we work on things together. No one wants the gummint they think the other deserves. ;)

 

I'm for progress too.

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An awful lot of people get their news & information from the net. It worries me that big brother can now have the ability to censor what I can find out. Oh, I know that it's not written that way, but things that the govt. gets involved in can morph into something entirely different than what was intended. Also how is it that a few bureaucrats can just write up new regs. that affect millions of Americans, and no one can do anything about it. I mean the head of the FCC declined to appear before Congress and explain what was being done. None of the info was released until AFTER it was adopted by these same FCC board members, who by the way were appointed, not elected. How is that democracy at work?

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Shows what a moron I am, I've read your last post twice, and I still don't know what you said. :blink: I do know this though, there are some things that can't be legislated, like morals or common sense. :wub: I also can disagree with others opinions, and still respect their view. I think these forums do that also.

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I'm concerned about the potential regulation abuse. I have to say though, my major concern is that at some point in the future I'm going to be taxed or fee'd so some non-working, freeloading schmuck can look at his/her online porn because the internet is now an essential utility and everyone as a right to access.

 

I don't believe I'm off base. Just how many free phones were actually used to find a job rather than a dealer? How many welfare rabbits have put increased strain on emergency services by allowing their offspring to use the uninitialized phones as toys and calling 911?

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An awful lot of people get their news & information from the net. It worries me that big brother can now have the ability to censor what I can find out. Oh, I know that it's not written that way, but things that the govt. gets involved in can morph into something entirely different than what was intended. Also how is it that a few bureaucrats can just write up new regs. that affect millions of Americans, and no one can do anything about it. I mean the head of the FCC declined to appear before Congress and explain what was being done. None of the info was released until AFTER it was adopted by these same FCC board members, who by the way were appointed, not elected. How is that democracy at work?

 

People can, and do, get involved in the development of new regulations. The Federal Register is published every governmental working day and will contain proposals that each agency is contemplating, often in response to complaints it has received, accidents that have happened, new legislation that has been passed/signed into law instructing the agency to formulate regulations, etc. The agency proposes the regulation/change in the FR and then there is a comment period - which is what happened with the FCC proposal. Depending upon which group is involved there may be little or no comment or there may be overwhelming comment, leading to extended comment periods, the agency going back and rewording a proposed regulation, a complete change of direction, withdrawal, or implementation.

 

I've been in several of these over the course of years and it takes a long time from first proposal until final adoption - - the only reason people think that something was sprung on them is that they didn't get involved with a professional/trade group that monitors and lets everyone in the group know when something new is put forth.

 

Go take a look at the FR and see what rules were proposed yesterday - a glimpse of YOUR government at work.

 

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I'm concerned about the potential regulation abuse. I have to say though, my major concern is that at some point in the future I'm going to be taxed or fee'd so some non-working, freeloading schmuck can look at his/her online porn because the internet is now an essential utility and everyone as a right to access.

 

I'm much more worried about the non-working, freeloading corporate schmuck buying up political votes than a "welfare rabbit".

 

 

How many welfare rabbits have put increased strain on emergency services by allowing their offspring to use the uninitialized phones as toys and calling 911?

 

Countless throngs . . . :rolleyes:

 

But there's a cure.

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Regarding net neutrality - I have done some research (enough to satisfy me) and what the following article says is pretty much what makes sense to me.

If you read it and disagree with it - fine - I am not going to debate it.

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Shows what a moron I am, I've read your last post twice, and I still don't know what you said. :blink: I do know this though, there are some things that can't be legislated, like morals or common sense. :wub: I also can disagree with others opinions, and still respect their view. I think these forums do that also.

Dick T

 

Dick wrote: "was in the agriculture business for 35+ years, and found it so great when the OSHA boys came and informed me how to sharpen a screw driver (not too sharp), but didn't even know what a Phillips screw driver was. Did you ever drive a nail, pour that concrete? Meet a budget, or who paid your wages, surely not "we the people". Just sayin'."

 

I also can disagree with others opinions, and still respect their view. I think these forums do that also."

 

I understood everything you said Dick, perfectly. And responded to it. I disagree that all inspectors do not know what a Phillip's screwdriver is. Just like if I met a person in the "agriculture business" who was an idiot, does that make you one too? Of course not!

 

Overgeneralizations are usually false, including this one.(humor)

 

I think that disrespecting all inspectors, or trying to overgeneralize is ambiguous and disingenuous. At no place in my post was there any disrespect or patronizing tone. And then you asked if" we the people" have ever: "Did you ever drive a nail, pour that concrete? Meet a budget, or who paid your wages, surely not "we the people". I won't assume. I will just ask to whom you were asking that question? I am one of "we the people," aren't you?

I'm also just sayin'

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I am not looking to debate you, or disrespect you, just passing along some info of who owns Wired, whose article you linked to here. Just so we know their leanings.

 

The nice thing about the Internet is that it is easy to look up parent companies to see if they have a vested interest or, "a dog in this fight."

 

In this case Conde Nast, who publishes Wired magazine, is owned by Advance Publications. Advanced publications is also the owner of Bright House Networks:

 

"Bright House Networks LLC is the sixth largest owner and operator of cable systems in the U.S. and the second largest in Florida, with technologically advanced systems located in five states including Florida, Alabama, Indiana, Michigan and California.

 

Bright House Networks serves approximately 2.5 million customers who subscribe to one or more of its video, high-speed data, home security and automation and voice services. The company also offers a strong portfolio of customizable, advanced business solutions for video, voice, data, cloud-based and managed services.

 

The company is MEF-certified and also recently received the Cisco® Master Service Provider Certification under the Cisco Cloud and Managed Service Program, the first cable operator in the United States to achieve this designation. Bright House Networks also owns and operates exclusive, award-winning, local news and sports channels in its Florida markets."

 

Here the easy way. Using Wikipedia for each company look on the right for Company and Parent to side if they have a dog in this fight.:

 

Wired: No reading just click and glance at the right for company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wired_(magazine) to see it is a part of Conde Nast that has its HQ in my old hometown area

 

Conde Nast: Just click and glance to the right to see it's parent company is Advance Publications: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cond%C3%A9_Nast

 

So who owns Bright House the sixth largest Cable operator in the US and 2nd largest cable operator in Florida? Glance to the right and see the parent company:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_House_Networks

 

So Advance owns both Wired and Bright House cable?. Objective? What are the chances since they have the sixth largest dog in this fight in the US?

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Well said Zulu.

 

I also love the Onion's stories!

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Regarding net neutrality - I have done some research (enough to satisfy me) and what the following article says is pretty much what makes sense to me.

If you read it and disagree with it - fine - I am not going to debate it.

HERE

 

Nice find. Thanks!

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Regarding net neutrality - I have done some research (enough to satisfy me) and what the following article says is pretty much what makes sense to me.

If you read it and disagree with it - fine - I am not going to debate it.

HERE

Yep, it's a good article.

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Amen Dutch.

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