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  1. Kirk, excellent information and advise. By the way, there's a lot of different models and features, thus, I would suggest that you read as many articles as possible and then try to rent the model specific you're interested in.
  2. Thank you Linda, the shower curtain is the most difficult and fragile part of the shower...I imagine.. We've normally used campground facilities ... when it's not too cold. I think of the shower as an "option" mainly in an emergency. We have a shower he with an on off switch.... I'm not sure it's ever been used even by the original owners? The "wet bath" was not my most favorite feature of my rig, but, it's not horrible.
  3. OK... not a financial question... surprise! How many of you actually use your shower ? And do you find it a challenge to keep the mildew and moisture under control especially on the shower curtain?
  4. Rich, that's exactly correct. Thank you for pointing this out and being the voice of reason.... you're right...it doesn't matter in the long run, no one lives forever...... you said it, "that's life". Yeah... my original question of "How long on average do you keep your RV" got sidetracked into a debate about "the lifestyle" ( vacationing vs. full timing) everyone's different.. Seems like there's lots of answers to this question...5, 10 and 20 years. Those of you who answered this question..... thank you. There's no good reason to be divisive saying that full time is better.. or even less expensive...it's a choice. At least one person stated on a thread... maybe not this one, that full time is not saving any money at all and they don't care... sure if you can afford it .. great! If you want to full time...fine....or part time.. that's OK too. I wonder how many people who are on the forum are part time? I've decided that part time is a better fit for me, maybe your choice is full time... your choice. I don't really care what you decide... just have fun... For the record, this is what I've said before and still stand by it. I'm not telling other people what they should or should not do, do whatever you want, and spend whatever you can afford. As I've said earlier...I actually love my Sprinter Class B..it's not too small, it's exactly the size I wanted... make whatever choices you want.. Please don't make ASSUMPTIONS about what other people do...I purchased the RV to have this experience.... otherwise, I would have never done it. Maybe I'm one of the few people on this forum who's concerned about depreciation on an RV and the overall costs of owning and maintaining one? It's not a mutually exclusive thing to like the RV and not like depreciation. Yes, I know that I'm losing money... expected that to happen...no surprise here... When I read about situations like Rich describes above about is 2012 5th wheel losing nearly 1/2 it's value since he purchased it I'm reminded that I lost more than 1/2 of the value on my old teardrop trailer. My decision to upgrade to the Class B was only because the teardrop trailer was too much work. The Sprinter Class B is very easy and perfect for me. I just don't want to go through a series of RV'S and lose money everytime we make a switch to another unit.... I don't regret my decision at all...I don't appreciate people making statements like that. I'm currently enjoying the RV experience right now, when I decide to sell it....I'll be done with the RV travels Enjoy your travels...
  5. That's perfect.. good for you. I always say that the best choice is the one that works for you the first time..
  6. I agree 💯 percent...why do you think I purchased the RV? On the other hand, it's good to have a backup plan. The house is my primary home and a solid investment. People on this forum don't understand my point of view that RVs just go down in value...... I do like the part time RV adventure. If you are parking your rig somewhere for three months or more how is that any different from me just being home for a while? We get out and enjoy whenever we can.
  7. Here's the thing.... sure, we've put money into the house....but, we've also lived here for more than 36 years..and even with all the mortgage payments and the tax deductions on the interest...it still makes financial sense to stay here... We live in Los Angeles. Maybe you don't know but there's a real housing shortage here and space for single family residences are at a premium price.... We're on a fairly large piece of property by today's standards... what's happening is the larger parcels are being subdivided and today a lot like ours would have two houses on this parcel. Plus, to deal with the shortage of places to live they are building skyscraper apartment buildings near transit centers and the subway...YES..Los Angeles has a subway.... SO... our private home in a quiet residential neighborhood will get even more desirable as time goes by... they are not building smaller starter homes like this anymore in the city.? WHY? The land is too valuable..... you see..it's not the house that is so special...it's nice enough... but, the land value and location is the key ingredient. I don't know where you live...LA is a world class city with abundant services... LA is a shopping Mecca and anything you might want is available here. I'm not concerned about the actual "profit" as you call it right now... never have been.. What I'm concerned about is the price elasticity factor...it's going up because of the location...yes.. that old joke in real estate is so true.... We certainly do have "equity" in the house...I own more than 60 percent of the value...of course it can go down in price..it has dipped in the past...who cares, we actually live here...it will never go lower than what I paid for it. The point about the house is... in the future, I have options...I could do a reverse mortgage, rent the house and make money or sell it and cash out and purchase a home in a less expensive area... people do that you know. I was lucky that I grew up in LA...worked all my life, had a good job and was able to purchase a home in LA when they were still affordable....( when we purchased it, I thought it was a lot of money and it was a leap of faith). Let me tell you my house increased in value way faster than my salary did...By the time I retired, I couldn't have afforded to buy my own house all over again..it happened that fast even as my salary went up... My only option was to stay the course with the house and my job making payments. Finally.. taxes? Because we paid only $100,000 our taxes are pretty much back at the lower level...Prop 13....it hasn't gone up that much...we probably pay less than you do... It's all complicated .. there's rules for transferring your existing property taxes to a new residence, but, if you are not able to do do that, you have to pay the going market rate and they assess you on the new value.... another reason why we have not moved... You can't make the same statement for my $100,000 RV..it loses money over time. It's not going to increase in value.... UNLESS it became a "collectible"..... it's possible? Years ago...one of my first cars was a 57 Chevy Bel Air...I loved the car except it got 8 MPG...Well, today, a 57 Chevy Bel Air would sell for $25-$30,000...and my car was beautiful. I don't know... anything is possible. Those of you who have had to replace your vehicles every 10 -15 years..or had other repairs..etc. Let me tell you from my view the RV is much more fragile than a house. Finally, when I say that the house is my financial "ace in the hole" against future inflation... I'm not kidding. Let me ask you this question.... have you figured out how much it's costing you with the lost opportunity to make your money and investment work for you?
  8. I had these installed on my Sprinter...it made a remarkable difference.... What Class B are you ordering? What was your main reason for switching to the Class B? Of course I think it's a great idea...I love my Sprinter Class B... It's the perfect size for two people.... not good for pets or even small kids...
  9. Linda, OK, I'm willing to be open to suggestions... thank you for sharing.. It's not bad idea for people who use it this way. I found this article about 1000 Trails... They say it is like a ..a “campground timeshare” but with less cost and commitment. https://rvlove.com/2019/03/07/thousand-trails-zone-pass-explained/ Depends on my travels........it might make sense... I don't know. Not sure we travel like that or enough to warrant it ..? Maybe? Even paying the full price for a zone pass.... however there's this added on feature...and you have to be careful with the premium parks..... Maybe you can get someone else's pass ... for less...? Even so at $595 for one zone that's still a commitment to use it alot to make it pay for itself and move around every 4 days ... OR...be out of the system for 7 days periodically... Like a timeshare ... you're essentially paying for the service in advance whether you use it and go those specific places or not.....then, you have to make sure they can accommodate you when you want to go..... I wonder how much contention there is for the space during peak periods? We have to book all of our reservations in advance.... with 55 million people in California..camping reservations get crowded everywhere...I'm sure it's the same for 1000 Trails as well 😀😀. Also.. regarding premium parks....and encore properties... As a Thousand Trails member – even if you just have a single Zone Camping Pass – you are eligible to purchase the optional “Trails Collection” add-on. The Trails Collection gives you access to 110 Encore properties nationally. And you can stay up to 14 nights at a time, at NO nightly fee for MOST parks. But, there are about 18 parks that are considered “premium” parks in popular locations, and charge $20 per night. As a Thousand Trails member – even if you just have a single Zone Camping Pass – you are eligible to purchase the optional “Trails Collection” add-on. The Trails Collection gives you access to 110 Encore properties nationally. And you can stay up to 14 nights at a time, at NO nightly fee for MOST parks. But, there are about 18 parks that are considered “premium” parks in popular locations, and charge $20 per night. SO... I'll look into it further...
  10. I don't know how others define "expensive luxury", maybe I'm wrong, but, with over $100,000 invested in our rig, yes, I think that's a luxury purchase. I don't make judgements about what other people should purchase. I will say that if you're planning on living full time, you probably want something a little larger than a Class B, if you need the extra space. Aside from the traveling, which is great, after a while, I appreciate coming home to a spacious home where I can relax during inclement weather; it's a lot quieter too. On rainy days in the RV and I try to avoid that, we get a cooped up in the vehicle. There's not a lot of storage space on a Class B, which is a huge downside. We've learned to travel light in the Class B... Then you certainly don't live or have traveled much in California. We've gone to many state parks and especially if you want full power adjacent to the Pacific Ocean … you're going to pay more like $70 per night. We live in Los Angeles, and let me tell you "nothing here is cheap". https://www.reservecalifornia.com/CaliforniaWebHome/ What impresses me is the freedom to go out in the vehicle and be completely self contained. Despite what you may think, we absolutely love our RV. OK, here's what I like- It's small, but, it's very luxurious on the inside with all cherry wood and soft fabric interiors on the walls. It has a terrific sound system and nicely finished granite countertops. Everything is in easy reach and we almost never have to do anything else besides just pulling up, extending the awning and pulling out a couple of chairs from the trunk. We have the lightest footprint. I never hook up to city water or the dump station. We just hook up the 30 AMP electric. When it's time to empty the tanks, the hose is permanently attached and just pulls out from underneath the rig and the macerator pump flushes everything out. Ours is a 3 season rig, not four seasons, so, I have to be mindful of that, but, we don't have to do anything special to winterize it here in Southern California. I don't have to worry about rust either, we are not that close to the beach. I've had cars in Southern California for 20 years and they never rust; that's why vehicles here sell for premium dollars, unlike the northeast area of the US. I'm not telling other people what they should or should not do, do whatever you want, and spend whatever you can afford. My requirements for my RV were pretty simple; 1. Had to be easy to drive, nimble enough to go anywhere and setup in minutes. 2. I did not want the cost of fuel to limit where I was going to go, so I wanted 18 plus miles per gallon; we got over 20 MPG on one trip. So far, we've gone almost 18,000 miles in two years. 3. Vehicle had to be easy to maintain and require no special roof maintenance, it's a factory cargo van that's been converted and customized on the inside. 4. King size bed for two with a convertible sofa during the day. 5. Immediate access and no storage fees; we keep it stocked and ready to go in the driveway. We are part time RV folks. We have home and RV expenses to contend with. If you full time in less expensive areas with an older rig, especially one that is paid for, maybe you can live on less. As far as investments are concerned, let me say this one more time …. our RV cost $100,000.. so did our house when we purchased it 36 years ago... the difference is the house is now worth close to $650,000. I'm sorry if you can't handle the truth.... but, the RV's value will continue to drop while the private residence will just get more valuable over time... RV's are NOT investments, but, they're an expensive commodity. Since I own three houses that are all going up in value, I can afford one major depreciating asset. I love the RV, but, I don't have to love the depreciation, the two are NOT mutually exclusive.
  11. Then there's the price of the membership. I know about 1000 Trails... I'm not impressed.
  12. From my view.... buying and selling RVs will not make any money.. probably actually make you lose money.... Not the same as buying and selling houses. Everyone has to make these decisions for themselves. I would think that keeping one RV for a long time and getting it fixed.. would be the least expensive way to own one...
  13. OK..6 RV's.. How much money did think all of this cost you everytime you traded up even all the associated expenses for getting a new one... sales tax...etc.? It's like purchasing 6 small houses?
  14. NO...this is not true...you don't need $1,300,000 to have a $40,000 return.
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