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  1. FL-JOE

    Contaminated Fuel - Pilot

    I can't answer your question. Do I understand how he is the only one that pulled out from that pump and had immediate problems? No, I can only speculate how that could have happened based on the few facts he provided. When he pulled away he pulled up to the stop line. At that point his truck is running bad so he shuts down and I assume goes inside to see about a mobile tech. The fuel desk is now aware he could have had an issue. I don't know if there was a big rig in line behind him that was starting to fuel or not. At this point in time are the underground tanks at Pilot designed so they can switch and have his pump draw from a different underground diesel tank? I don't know how they are plumbed but I do know they have more than one tank. Was there actually a DEF delivery tanker there who had just started to dump his DEF load into the wrong underground tank that only had a little diesel left in it, but they caught it right when my buddy finished pumping? I don't know, just like I don't know if they closed that pump or some others while he was having the issue and kept them closed. I do know that many times I have pulled into a Pilot station and a island has been closed. I don't know if the pump has malfunctioned or a underground tank is almost empty but for whatever reason I have seen islands closed off and it was not always for cleaning. My buddy put a certain amount of diesel in his truck tank and his aux tank. Between the two tanks he split the 48 gallons. I have no idea if he put 25 gallons in his truck tank and the other 23 gallons in his aux tank. I don't think he put more than that and probably much less in his truck tank because it isn't very large. But let's say he did put 25 gallons of contaminated fuel in a 32 gallon tank. Now his truck tank has 80% contaminated fuel in it. I have no idea how big his aux tank is. Big rigs hold a ton more fuel and I promise you they will not run their tanks down to empty prior to filling up. Did the next big rig that pumped fuel from that island only get 120 gallons for his 300 gallons capacity tank(s)? That big rig would only have about 40% contaminated fuel, right? So if the big rig that took on the same contaminated fuel had half the contamination maybe his engine wouldn't run as bad and he would just go about his merry way down the road. You and I can guess what happen all day long and we may never know 100% for sure. I suspect Progressive will check into this further because they will be paying out a pretty good claim by now. Will a huge insurance carrier like Progressive spend any money in litigation over a $10,000 to $12,000 claim? I'm thinking they probably won't. Certainly "the chain of evidence", and who touched what, and "can we get the Dodge dealer's diesel mechanic to testify" will never be a part of the continuing saga here. My friend and his DW are finally back on the road headed our way. We are all looking forward to a fun, warm, and healthy winter in SW Florida doing what we do. There are a lot of RVers that use diesel in their rigs that may be more careful and thoughtful about fueling issues now. I am a happy camper, life if good!
  2. FL-JOE

    Self-Defense

    X2. Exactly! You just have to look at the whole picture and use some good old fashion common sense. Just because someone was full time once, and traveled around safely, certainly does not mean it is safer in an RV as compared to living in your S&B. If I'm on crack and I really have to get some money, who will I pick on? Will it be the unknown occupants inside a S&B, or would it be a couple older folks in an RV?
  3. FL-JOE

    Self-Defense

    We could be splitting hairs here so to speak John. My view will always be tainted due to my background. A criminal prosecutor can decide to charge about anything against anyone in any situation. I guess the bottom line is the OP should proceed and go the direction he is comfortable with. We are probably on the same page with most of this stuff just expressing it slightly differently. Safe travels.
  4. FL-JOE

    Self-Defense

    I would suspect Kirk you would want this one to go away.
  5. FL-JOE

    Contaminated Fuel - Pilot

    Like I just said in another post, I thought I had Big5er blocked but when someone quotes him it shows up on my computer. If the Pilot at Cornersville TN realized their mistake or the fact that my buddy received contaminated diesel do you really think a citizen could telephone some public relations phone number for them and one of their representatives would sit on the phone and chat with you about it? This is a public internet forum. Anyone can post anything they want, and often times they do. My only purpose in starting the thread about this incident was to make RVers aware of what happened to my buddy at that particular Pilot. I think anyone pumping diesel while traveling all over the country should be aware that things like this can happen, even at the big busy truck stops. I have fueled and a Pilot and a Flying J since this incident. I just figured my end of the year totals and I purchased just over $9,000 in diesel this year and it all came from Pilot and Flying J stations with the exception of one Shell fill up. If an unhappy weight inspector on this forum wants to call what was posted about the incident "rumors" then that is his right to do so. However, when I get information from other RVers that I think could help someone in the future I will continue to post it. If others want to make negative comments and dispute everything posted then that is entirely up to them.
  6. FL-JOE

    Contaminated Fuel - Pilot

    Unfortunately I had the opportunity to read Big5er's post on this subject which I didn't expect to see since I have him blocked. He wants to impress with his Police expert training and act like this is some type of murder crime scene or something. OMG......I can easily find 10 places tomorrow to test my engine oil if I want. Am I worried about who is in the chain of custody when they test it? What if they find something wrong that I need to blame on a vendor, will they come to court later and testify? Big5er needs to stick with weighing and inspecting trucks. I suspect the only crime scene he has experience with is watching Blue Bloods on Friday nights.
  7. FL-JOE

    Planning Your Route

    We travel pretty often since we are full timers. While spending the winter months in Florida we will make a general outline of the states we want to visit and the basic time frame. Depending on the time of year and what area of the U.S. we are planning on visiting dictates how far in advance we might call different campground for reservations. Generally speaking when we head out in the spring we are booked at least a couple months ahead for most places but there are exceptions. Some RVers just take off and kind of "wing it" and head in a general direction checking things out as they go. I think if you are in a smaller rig you could get away with that type of traveling, the larger/longer rigs probably tend to pre-plan a little more. Example: currently we are heading to a CG called Top Sail in the panhandle of Florida first thing in the spring. We had to go online and make reservations 6 months in advance to get 2 weeks there. After that we slowly head to central Illinois for a grandkids HS graduation and will dry camp along the way, no reservations needed there. We already booked a park district CG in that area for two different periods so that reservation had to be made in advance because they fill up and it is only $13 a day including all utilities. Then we head to the Black Hills, several other states, and back through Illinois, those reservations won't be made until around June. Anyway, you get the idea. We are pretty long so we can't just pull into any CG and ask if they have a 80' pull through site.
  8. Great article. Better start building more campgrounds!
  9. FL-JOE

    Self-Defense

    Very good analogy!
  10. FL-JOE

    Self-Defense

    I have never had to fire my weapon at somebody in self defense, and certainly hope I never will. I have friends who have, and over the years I have investigated others who have. Could there be civil litigation later? Sure there could be and probably would be even for a civilian. Could there be criminal charges filed against you? Not if you were in fear of your life and only defending yourself. If you find yourself in a life and death situation, which most of us never will, do you want to be able to defend yourself and your family or just let it play out? This discussion could go on and on I guess. You have posters that are experienced in the possession/use of firearms that can't agree on RVers having one with them, then you have posters that have never owned a handgun throwing their opinions in the ring. Bottom line is you have to decide for yourself and live with what you decide. I'm just happy we can all decide this issue for ourselves and I hope that never changes.
  11. FL-JOE

    safety of Walmart

    If I stated "highest murder rate per population" then I am sorry for misleading anyone. What I intended to get across was Chicago has the most murders of any city in the U.S. It is interesting though that East St. Louis was listed in the site you quoted as the city having the most murders per capita. Hoping anyone from the UK realizes that East St. Louis is another Illinois city. The OP shouldn't dwell on it. Generally speaking our country is very safe. On the other hand there are certain places they would not want to wonder into to have a look-see either.
  12. FL-JOE

    Self-Defense

    Okay, well then based on that reasoning I have owned and lived in my own sticknbrick since 1974 and have never experienced a burglary or theft from my property. I have only been RVing since 2010 and have experienced a theft already. So it would seem that my experience tells me that in my life time there is 5 times greater chance I will be the victim of a crime while living in my RV as compared to my sticknbrick. Do the math, 45 years in the sticknbricks, 8 years RVing. In today's world, in our country, you can be killed at a country music concert in Vegas, your grandchilds grade school, in a movie theater, or about anyplace else we frequent. There is certainly no magic bubble of extra protection around you just because you live and travel on an RV my friend.
  13. FL-JOE

    Self-Defense

    If you are forced to shoot someone to defend your life, or the life of a family member, then you should not shoot one time and count on that stopping the threat. I was trained to shoot and keep hitting my target center mass until the threat is gone. After most police shootings when you interview the officer involved they almost always underestimate how many rounds they fired. They quickly fire rounds center mass until the threat goes away and sometimes that can be 10 or 12 rounds but in their mind they only pulled the trigger 2 or 3 times. You only have to be justified in the amount of force you actually use. Example: a drunk camper stumbles into your site while you and your wife are sitting around a campfire. He insists you are in his site and demands you leave. You try to talk to him but he kicks your wife's chair violently and knocks her over. He starts to lunge toward you and you grab a piece of firewood and clock him. He stumbles, trips over the fire, falls and hits his head on a stump and immediately dies. Of course you have to justify your use of force but just because he died does that mean you used "deadly force"? Do you wait for him to start stomping your wife's head in while she is laying on the ground?
  14. FL-JOE

    Self-Defense

    Kirk, I know you have tons of experience RVing and obviously have traveled around the country a lot. Let me assure you that crimes do happen in RV parks. Back in the 90's I had just completed basic K-9 training with my partner. We had returned back to our home district and on our first night shift patrol together had a call to a local RV park. There was a drunk subject threatening other campers with a knife. My partner and I arrived and the outcome was he did have a knife, he was drunk, and he was arrested after a bit of a tussle. I was just unfortunate enough to be very close to this CG and that was why I took the call for the county. But I have personal knowledge that over the years they had other calls to that CG. I don't think people should be paranoid or freaked out while traveling around the country in their RV. But to believe that you are safer staying in your RV as compared to a sticknbrick is probably not supported by facts.
  15. FL-JOE

    safety of Walmart

    Jim, I agree that it is probably never a Walmart policy not to allow overnight parking, but usually some type of local ordinance. However, your blanket statement "the police do not patrol private parking lots and have no right to do so", is way off and just wrong. Police patrol all public and private parking lots, why in the world wouldn't they? Can you imagine if local police were not allowed to enter parking lots of large businesses how many crimes would soon start taking place there? Actually, in most states there are even certain traffic violations that can be enforced in private parking lots, driving under the influence is one example.
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