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  1. You beat me to it Ed! Nasdaq reaches 11-year high; Dow at highest level since before 2008 financial crisis http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/markets/stock-futures-jump-after-us-jobs-report-shows-lower-unemployment-strong-job-growth/2012/02/03/gIQAYroimQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b Now since I started buying triple the shares monthly starting when the crash in share prices came in 2007/8 and kept on doing that until last year when I jumped into my first stock pick, it has been pretty amazing. I am sitting on a Tesla close at 31 plus up from the 22.25 of 16 days ago. That just North of what I pad for my second block last August. My money is doing a heck of a lot better than it did earning less than .5% interest in a bank money market account, or the what? - 2% max for long term CDs? No calculator methods. No strategies. Just buy low, sell high. I will never know how low they will go, nor if they will go higher. as said no one can predict the market timing. I don't need to as long as I buy low and sell high. It seems to me that when the least ripple happens to frighten people they sell at a loss following the herd stampede. Then, when the prices are high they feel more secure and buy in case they can make a small profit, but are like a cat on a hot tin roof. Just plain jumpy. I used to have an answer for folks looking for a shortcut in shooting competitions. I would tell them that the trick is to shoot out the middle of the ten ring, and then once you have done that, shoot all the rest of your bullets off the target completely so no hits outside of the ten ring show up. Then they have to count all the ones they can't see holes for as going through the middle shot out hole. Some never figured it out. Buy low sell high has the same simplicity. If you can shoot the middle out, you don't need a shortcut. If you buy the right stocks by knowing the companies, not the picks of others, and have a feel for the industry you choose to own some of, then buy when stocks are down, and sell when they are up, you win. Greedy is when the trouble starts. And we will never be big enough to get first dibs on the presale of IPOs as they offer multi million dollar preferred customers. In the casinos they call them high rollers. Six months ago I did get an email from one who played with a small block of Tesla and wish they had bought more. Now I know they are happy. But don't look for me to be right again, in fact I already decided that Facebook is not in my future for many reasons, but this article says it best. http://www.techrepub...156?tag=nl.e101 I almost started believing I knew something about the stock market and I don't. I knew something about Apple when they announced they were going to switch to Intel chipsets and what that meant. I knew a lot about Tesla and where they have been before IPO and who Elon Musk is. But I got cocky when I wrote that and that won't happen again. I prefer to be a dummy and make a bit of profit than a greedier gambler and have to know when to fold em. Hope all have a great weekend!
  2. I sure hope some folks heeded my advice to buy Tesla if it hit in the low 20's, specifically 22 dollars a share or thereabouts when it dropped to that exactly two weeks and one day ago. It is back up to over 30 today and will likely close at a price where anyone who did buy a block at 22.25 when it dropped can make 8 dollars on each share bought at that price. I missed it completely and it never did give me a second chance to buy that low. Motley Fool has been cheering anything negative about Tesla since they IPO'd and then admitting that maybe they are looking at it wrong and then doing a 180 on that. Seeking Alpha at least had some people who stayed the course and even invested themselves as told by disclosures. Now Motley is at it again. I believe that they have changed their advice at least 12 times in 12 months! Now here they are again changing their mind. Excerpt: "Tesla = Apple? A little more than a month ago, fans of electric-car pioneer Tesla Motors (Nasdaq: TSLA ) got shocking news: Morgan Stanley, long a fan of the stock, had turned coat on Tesla. Downgrading from an overweight rating, Morgan skipped right past the traditional pit stop at neutral and went straight to an underweight rating on the stock. (Wall Street-speak for "sell.")Key to Morgan's sell thesis was a major rethink on the popularity of electric cars. According to the analyst, as far out as 15 years from now, we're still probably only going to see e-cars making up about 5% of global car sales. Pretty small beans considering some of the companies that have been talking up the concept, but not everyone agrees with this downbeat assessment. Case in point: Yesterday, at the break of dawn, rival banker Jefferies & Co. initiated coverage of Tesla with a buy rating and a bold pronouncement: "If Apple made a car, this could be it! Tesla's strategy is based on a combination of technology, performance, unconventional marketing, and a 'cool factor.'" The way Jefferies sees it, comparing Tesla's (old) Roadster or (new) Model S to the green econoboxes on offer like Ford's (NYSE: F ) Focus, Toyota's (NYSE: TM ) Prius, or General Motors' (NYSE: GM ) Volt is entirely the wrong way to look at these things. Tesla's real rival, writes Jefferies, is not any of the profitable mass-market vehicle makers, but rather luxury-car builders such as BMW (OTC: BAMXY), noting the appropriate economic question is "Would you buy a Model S with similar price/performance to a BMW 5-series and the ability to use cheaper electric fuel?" And more to the point, would you buy Tesla's luxury e-buggy over BMW's premium gas-guzzler if you knew that, say, Leonardo DiCaprio owned a Tesla? Because, as it just so happens, he does. And so does Dustin Hoffman. And Jay Leno. And Matt Damon, Sergey Brin, and... Condoleezza Rice. Fact is, there's a whole website devoted to spotting "cool" celebrities in their Tesla-mobiles. And if Wall Street, Silicon Valley, and the upper echelons of the Washington, D.C., elite all think that Tesla is cool, maybe you should, too." They go on to a surprising conclusion that is nothing more than an attempt to save face. See, they like others have mistakenly been lumping the Tesla in with the greenie econocars since Tesla IPO'd. Here's the article in full: http://www.fool.com/...downgrades.aspx I bring this up because were I a regular or a novice investor trying to choose my first investment, and listened to the "experts," I would be losing my butt. Motley says buy Tesla when it is almost at the highest it has been pre Model S release, and they always say sell or stay away when it drops because of investor panic. I missed my price because as the latest comments suggest I sure could not time the market, but I have been saying all along that it would drop once more before the debut of production of their second model after their successful Roadster series was sold out. Watch them change 180 within the month. Almost every so called expert had no clue as to what an EV was versus a hybrid, no understanding of the technologies in use, and no clue who held the patents for the important part . . . the battery tech. And these were the self proclaimed experts. No wonder folks lose their shirts in the market. They are listening to idiots with no clue who are listening to idiots with no clue and the only thing all the idiots have in common is they have a lot of money and want to hang onto it by dealing in only things they know like housing and oil. After all, they couldn't fail to make big bucks in that even when they failed the investors and destroyed the companies that were too big to let fail. And not one of them went to jail, they took big bonuses for getting the bail outs! I do know the industries and technologies I have followed and until lately, and by that I mean in the last two weeks, the articles were as if written by elementary school children. It is because IMHO the people feel very threatened because this technology is disruptive. We will perhaps just begin to see how disruptive in the next 365 days. Anyway I hope someone here did get a block at that price even though I was too late. But that is OK. We are saving that block and are adding to it to buy into the Facebook IPO or back into Tesla if it drops once more before debut. I have finally learned that when you want to buy if a stock drops all I have to do is put a buy order in and the buy happens automatically when it reaches that low. Had i not been paying attention I would have missed my second big block price however. I had to raise my bid a nickel to get my shares. So having a buy order can fail as well.
  3. I detest Facebook. I will be buying Facebook when it IPOs in a couple of months. I missed that one day buy opportunity for Tesla for a final block and I doubt that there will be any more buy opportunities before the Model S comes out and the hard decisions have to be made. I don't know the market or investing but I do know what tech most likely will do for several companies new and not so new.
  4. Tesla moved to the United States in 1884. When he arrived, he worked as an assistant to Thomas Edison, then in his late 30's. Edison had just invented the electric light bulb, but he needed a system to distribute electricity to houses. He designed a DC (direct current) system, but it had many bugs in it. Edison promised Tesla lots of money in bonuses if he could get the bugs out. Tesla took the challenge and ended up saving Edison over $100,000, which was millions of dollars by today's standards. Edison later refused to keep his promise. Tesla quit not long after that, and Edison spent the rest of his life trying to discredit Tesla (which is the main reason why he is so unknown today). Edison not only welched on his bonus promise and lost Tesla, but he spent the rest of his life discrediting him to good effect. His late instabilities are tied to that frustration. Tesla won out with AC, but not with radar, and a thousand other things. Here is a very good and short history of him with some other links. He was more than interesting in my book, and suffered at the hands of JP Morgan withdrawing support, as well as Edison etc.: http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/Tesla/TeslaversusEdison.htm
  5. I put in a buy order and am ready now for the next dip. I missed it and it was over 23 in after hours trading, opened this morning at 26.62, has been as high today as 27.34, and is now almost to 27 and up 4.00 and is climbing again. :( I learned to have a buy order in before a stock crashes to buy when that is my desire. I know, my inexperience shows. On edit: "Today's noteworthy upgrades include: Tesla Motors (TSLA) upgraded to Buy from Neutral at Goldman...Tesla Motors upgraded to Buy from Hold at Wunderlich" http://finance.yahoo...160635.html?x=0 <sigh> Missed it. Take my advice, I am not using it right now anyway. On another edit: Talk about rubbing salt in the wound: http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/11378289/1/buy-tesla-after-share-price-collapse-analysts-say.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA It never got down to my buy price of 22.5 and I did not adjust slightly up as I did not know it crashed until after hours. It is now up 4.43 at 27.21. People who grabbed it Friday are ahead from opening today by 19.44% <groan>
  6. I'm not the only one. Here is an article from Seeking Alpha: Excerpt: "I already have a small position in Tesla, having recommended the stock on a few occasions last year. However, I intend to use the current weakness in the stock price to build a significant position ahead of what should in the end be a solid launch of the Model S." http://seekingalpha.com/article/319621-tesla-stock-collapses-but-looks-massively-oversold?source=yahoo And this grudging agreement with my assessment from Motley Fool: Excerpt: "Tesla, of course, is on track to launch its all-electric Model S sedan later in 2012 -- a launch that will be the make-or-break moment for the audacious Silicon Valley startup. That launch will almost certainly be a success, at least initially -- Tesla has thousands of preorders (and $5,000 deposits) and has already said that the initial production run is sold out -- but for Tesla to succeed as a business, the Model S has to get sustainable sales traction, to find customers beyond the circle of well-heeled gadget geeks and early adopters who ponied up all those deposits." http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/01/14/did-ford-just-crush-tesla-motors.aspx That article is titled "Did Ford Just Crush Tesla?" All through my posts I clearly stated that my position is until the cars are delivered and then the hard decision comes. When to sell if ever? So buying more now cheap is the only way to go. There will be good profits for me once the cars start to get hwy time. Which is what I have said all along. And this is the last pre debut buy opportunity in the next week or two before the stock climb to, and likely higher than the $35.00 high they reached previously. But that is opinion. It could go to 30 or 34 and tank for good, or not have a single problem and be at 200 a year from now. The question isn't is it a good buy now, or whether it will go up significantly. Even the naysayers agree it will have a good launch and profit this year with the Model S. So the make money and get out crowd has an opportunity to make ten bucks a share or so. As always the question is when to sell if ever. Of course remember I am not knowledgeable so anybody taking my position needs to do so on their own. My disclosure is that this is my first, and most likely only, venture into direct buying and selling of stocks. My only reason was that I followed the company and the technology as well as the owner from day one almost. I watched them, before their IPO, design, test, manufacture, and deliver, the first all electric high performance super car successfully in 2008 like they said they would, and on time, exceeding all performance expectations and beating the higher priced 911s and most of the Ferrari, and Lamborghini in the process for million less per car. No one doubts they will do the same again. The recurring theme is that it is a passing phenomena. I don't think so, and I am not alone. So I may goof in the future. But it is unanimous about this year to debut and production.
  7. Smitty all I can say is thank you! I missed it completely and if you read back I have done that every time it dropped like a K-mart thermometer in a blue norther. I saw it doing its normal stable upward climb. I just did put in a buy order but I only have half of the amount I did before that I was able to scrape together to get ready for this. I bet it opens above my 22.5 again and I have to wait again. Dang, you'd think I would be ready. I honestly thought it would not again since this is the year but it is doing what I expected. I got caught unawares once more. Yes I am buying low and thank you for alerting me as I might have missed it all weekend. I just saw that it started bouncing back already after hours. It turns out that two key personnel left the company today but confidence seems restored again. But thanks for the heads up because if it does dip again Monday I will get my last lot. Here is the story on it I just found on reading your post: http://news.investors.com/article/597826/201201131504/tesla-stock-falls-as-engineers-leave.htm?ven=yahoocp&ven=yahoo Shoot! I cut my eye and was at the Docs most of the day. It will heal fine and I am on the eyedrops for the weekend. Dagnabbit! Did anybody else get some at the low?? That I did not expect at all. Thanks again Smitty.
  8. Jim, Just one more digressing post as others may not know anything about him either. Here are some of the more interesting excerpts from that Wiki article you read. I studied Tesla in College when doing my degree in IE! I have always been a fan. The world would be much different had he won out over Edison. I think that frustration later wore on him and resulted in his problems. Yes they did name it after him and in cognizance of how much he actually did do. Two short Excerpts: "Because of his 1894 demonstration of wireless communication through radio[3] and as the eventual victor in the "War of Currents", he was widely respected as one of the greatest electrical engineers who worked in America.[4] He pioneered modern electrical engineering and many of his discoveries were of groundbreaking importance. In the United States during this time, Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or popular culture.[5] Tesla demonstrated wireless energy transfer to power electronic devices in 1891,[6] and aspired to intercontinental wireless transmission of industrial power in his unfinished Wardenclyffe Tower project." "After the FBI was contacted by the War Department, his papers were declared to be top secret. The personal effects were sequestered on the advice of presidential advisers; J. Edgar Hoover declared the case most secret, because of the nature of Tesla's inventions and patents.[120] One document stated that "[he] is reported to have some 80 trunks in different places containing transcripts and plans having to do with his experiments [...]". Altogether, in Tesla's effects, there were the contents of his safe, two truckloads of papers and apparati from his hotel, another 75 packing crates and trunks in a storage facility, and another 80 large storage trunks in another storage facility. The Navy and several "federal officials" spent two days microfilming some of the material at the Office of Alien Properties storage facility in 1943, and that was it, until Oct., 1945.[121]Tesla's family and the Yugoslav embassy struggled with the American authorities to gain these items after his death because of the potential significance of some of his research. Eventually Mr. Kosanović won possession of the materials, which are now housed in the Nikola Tesla Museum.[122]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
  9. Jack, Even I understood that, and the same for your comments John. I have nothing to add except that I agree Jack. Predicting the market is fruitless even when it is one stock and you know the plan and the predicted reaction. I told all that mine would tank in this time period and if it hits 22.5 or less I am buying one last block. That is only for this year and until I see what the full production goes like. However, I had a gut feeling that I should have sold it when it was at almost 35, and then bought later lower and ending up with many more shares. Instead I thought it could stay close or go up again and I lose shares. I am still firm in my estimation but who am I really? I accept the title, self proclaimed, as the least knowledgeable person in this discussion. I got an excellent treatise on the way that Jim did an analysis but to be honest it scares the heck out of me. But thanks Jim it was eye opening and maybe something I will use if I become an EV millionaire! As if . . . .
  10. Jim, Read below. Dang Duke! :lol: :lol:
  11. Awww jeez Jim, Sure I would love to see it and see if I understand it.
  12. Amen Jim. I have limited experience but I know to buy low and sell high. Emotionally it appears that investors sell low in a panic and buy when high because they think it is a success. We bought a lot of shares of our USAA Funds, from 2007 to 2010 when I was working because the shares were tanked. We bought shares for pennies on the dollar compared to several months before we started. We only recently bought our first shares of stock directly. That only because we believed in the man and the company, still do, and only one other time, Apple in 2005 when they announced they were going to be switching to the Intel chipsets. I posted here to buy Apple back then because allowed Windows to run on them. I came sooo close to buying then at $55 a share for a small $30k first investment directly, and chickened out at the last minute since all we hear about are the losses more so than the profits. The only other company and person I followed closely was Tesla and when they went public I finally forced myself to follow my gut, and not miss out like I did with Apple. Like last August it appears that it won't go below 22.5 soon but I expect one more tank before the Model S starts delivery this year sometime in mid 2012. They won't make any money until then and the losses are all in finishing up the production facilities at the factory and finishing up the safety testing etc. These last phases of testing and approvals is the same as they did for the roadsters and should pose no problems. Just like they did with the Roadster when it became the first Hwy capable EV in full production. But if it ever drops below 22.5 again I am buying more.
  13. The Mayan prophecy? Naaah the power that made all this has a better sense of humor than that! One Baktun is over and another starts like our new year's in a few days. The world does not end, we hang new calendars and that staves off the end of the world for another year. One guy says that: " I can personally guarantee, with 100% certainty that our civilization will not come to an end on December 21st, 2012. How can I be so sure you ask? Simple… The divine architect, the Demiurge, universal creator, whatever title works for you, has too twisted of a sense of humor to let me off that easy. Like many of you reading this blog, I too racked up debt over the last decade or two. And like many of you, I have a mortgage to pay off. My Demiurge would never allow me to shirk my responsibilities so easily. Especially with so flimsy of an excuse as some apocalyptic end-times scenario." http://tekgnostics.blogspot.com/2009/11/2012-what-me-worry.html It probably won't. I have used that phrase for fears of hell, of radon, of cults, of the Mafia, of my heart stopping just for laughs, of that itchy mole, of the adverse side effects of every drug my doctor has ever prescribed for me, towing a big fiver with a 1 ton, and on and on ad nauseum . The preamble is always followed quickly, as am I, by a big but. I call that the BUT drop. But it might? I have lived through more than ten world is going to end scenarios that just didn't pan out. Sure I didn't believe any of them. But . . . I find that people like to scare others with what scares them, rational or not, because misery loves company. Stuff happens. In the meantime if you are near a beach when the sun shines, relax, and as the song says, "Don't Worry, Be Happy." As for me, I am going to do what I am going to do. Good point Ed. Should be a show worth watching , no?
  14. Mark thanks, I will follow that link and see where it leads. Interesting at least.
  15. I am only doing the stock short term for me as in for the next six months to a year. I have five acres semi rural with another 8 acres of family farm area land where we already raise a lot of our vegetable by choice not budget. I am almost to the point of building a new house cash but that again will have to wait for at least the next 10 months. We appear and do live very modestly. We chose long ago not to participate in the show and tell of having everything new and make payments. We are ex LEOs both my wife and me, and our family are all experienced in raising animals and crops, and have a small herd of goats right at the moment not any calves as they only last until the fall. We could expand the small truck garden to four acres in no time as we have tractors and all it takes. All of my real property is paid for, as well as all my vehicles and tools and workshops. Our funds are USAA but I had to do something with my cash on hand after I retired again a couple of years ago. We keep just enough weapons and plenty of ammo just in case. We are set back from the road about 300 feet or more, and cannot be approached from the front or the back without knowing. We are about as off the corporate economy as anybody could be, and still have an address and Internet connection. But as you say some will protect those assets early and cause a run. For what? Paper? Another thing many don't seem to realize. Gold is not worth more or less as it has still more or less maintained its standard. Theoretically an ounce of gold will still buy the same goods it did years ago. Gold is not going up or down, the dollar is. That can be nit picked but is essentially true and something most are really not able to wrap their minds around. It took me a long time to learn that what most people call the good times are exactly what you describe, consumption with no understanding that debt always comes due, and all it takes is one domino to fall and everybody can find themselves in the same boat with no paddles. If that happens in my lifetime, I can only hope that what gets built next will take a lesson from the past. Because build we will. If you are looking for a discussion on the fall of our economy specifically or civilization in general, you won't get it from me. I made it clear that I was no expert, and then answered questions about my one and only venture into the world of wall street. I have seen predictions like these before, and recessions that hurt but nothing like this in my lifetime. Whether things are going that way or not is immaterial to me. We will make it one way or another, and I don't have the power to make or keep things from going either way.
  16. I agree, very well said. So for those wanting to liquidate what do people who can see what is happening clearly do with their non-real assets? Mid to late 2012 that is.
  17. Sounds like a good investment Kirk. I have funds and other investments that do not need to be managed but need watching. I had way too much cash in a USAA savings account that was a performance money market account for liquid capital to run my businesses and pay my outside sales guys and my personal assistant. Until mid 2008 it had a yield with the amount I had in it of 3.75-4.25% Then suddenly it was and still is way under 1 %. Before I made my investment in Tesla when it IPO'd last year having money in savings was like having it in a shoe box. I called the bank up last August and asked them how much I was making per $10k actual interest per year and was told that for each $10k I would earn $108.00 a year. I took more than a few blocks of that amount and decided if I made 5 or 8% it would be fantastic. If I sold today when it is down a bit, I would make about 20% profit per $10k invested. Two weeks ago it would have been more like 55% profit in less than 18 months for my first block, and 5 months for my second block. I did my property cash too and paid off a small loan two years after I bought it. We got it as a repo for pennies on the dollar in a very nice area for here. Good property that is resellable or rentable in a pinch at the right price can't be beat. I am scraping together one more Tesla buy if the price comes down or sit pat "long" as I am if it doesn't drop to my price. It beats a shoe box or a bank. Making $2k-5500 per 10k invested beats $108.00 a year any day. It also may go higher, much higher. I also had to put my SH's money from her contracting company and her last house she flipped which was a lakeside one that we kept the mineral rights on and collect quite a bit per month into property. She got out of that for top dollar a month before the initial crash. If you have funds you are still in. We are looking for a rental property now too with prices down now. That was a good move.
  18. I now doubt Tesla will get down to 22.5 as I hoped it would this cycle, and perhaps not again. The fickle media has done another 180 on the company now stabilizing the downward trend with news of pricing and date of first deliveries for summer 2012 by model. I had hoped to capitalize on a much lower price, and may yet get it temporarily like last August. We want more shares as cheap as possible but can only scrape together 5% of what I have invested with them now, and still keep my minimum cash on hand. So I was again hoping for a record low, and am in the same boat I was in last August and posted on this thread as it happened. Here from today's Seeking Alpha: Excerpt: "You can see the detail of all of the pricing and options on Tesla's new web page outlining the everything you need to know about the Model S. Both the pricing and the timing for the Model S are of course key factors with regard to which the market has been looking for confirmation. The fact that the company is on track to meet both commitments is clearly bullish for the stock. Consequently, we remain bullish on Tesla and expect to see a retest of the $34.94 November high. Disclosure: I am long TSLA." OK the Author of this article, like me, is long on Tesla. Clearly biased. That whole article with pricing and release dates for the different models of the 7 seater Model S luxury all electric sedan that will go, depending on model, from 160 mile range to 300 miles, is the link below. Now get this. Bear in mind this is a comfortable 7 seat luxury family sedan we are talking about. The Performance model can do 0-60 mph in 4.4 seconds - faster than the Porsche 911 Carrera! http://seekingalpha....ck?source=yahoo Sorry I did think it would tank around the first of the year to March as speculation and fear built up around the end of the Roadster contract with Lotus, and during the lull between that income and the beginning of production and delivery of the Model S which is on time as of now. It may yet yield another perfect buy price which for me is 22.5 or less. But unless I see any more movement I may buy just what I can sooner than later. I am still in and long on Tesla. All production of the first year is already sold out and the second year is being reserved now. What people don't seem to realize is that everybody doesn't have to buy an all electric car for Tesla to be extremely successful and profitable. All they have to do is sell out their production output and keep growing. Having customers in line and prepaid is lagniappe as we say in Louisiana. Remember I do not know anything about investing. I just followed Tesla since it started and watch them meet every schedule and plan. I also watched Space X another Elon Musk adventure that paid off already. And am watching his joint venture with Paul Allen of MS fame, and Burt Rutan. Here is an article with a terrific 3 minute video you can click on showing what they are doing about the again innovative way to do something better and cheaper: http://www.laobserve...n_joined_by.php Paul Allen is notable for investing for fun but no profit several billion dollars, but Musk and Rutan are not. Quite the opposite Musk's SpaceX delivered and is in the black, as did his Pay Pal before that which he sold with his partner, and his Tesla, about to go in the black and currently in production for their initial high end Sportster model which contract is about to end and their own factory begin production of the new much cheaper Luxury Model S sedan, and begin deliveries six and a half months from now. In other words that newest joint venture funded by Allen, with Rutan designing the plane, and using a custom developed Falcon rocket from Musk's Space X company may be the next big thing. I am sold on Tesla and Space X, but remain to be convinced about this new venture until the first test launch. But like with Tesla before it, I will certainly be watching closely. Just my thoughts.
  19. Kirk, Great chance for you to get in. Look for 22.50 or less. Short enough for you?
  20. Oops! Forgot this. One of our members here gave me some good advice about learning options and I am stupid on them and like I said to him that is over my head. But Motley also posted a way for them to make money off the panicky emotional investors by telling them this: http://www.fool.com/...tors-using.aspx I was also told that options wipes more folks out than anything. So I didn't say do this. I am just amazed at how the investors are herded like sheep into predictable chutes where they think there is an exit, only to find the hammer. I could sell now and buy later but it also might go back up and I lose shares so that defeats my long term strategy with Tesla. Did I say strategy? Forgive me, I know not what I say. I have no strategy except buy low, sell high or after the Model S has been out a bit TBD then. I honestly don't know anything about the market. Just Elon Musk and Tesla and Space X and Pay Pal. See everybody does not have to buy or even want an electric car that goes 300 miles on a charge, a weeks driving for me. Just enough and that niche seems to be enough to get started. Any other car companies large or small have a full year's production sold out with $5k deposits? Or for that matter sold out the first year of any superclass car with 100% deposits in advance? If so I'll buy shares there too.
  21. Cindona, You act as if this was unexpected down to the media and consumer confidence going negative. If you go back in my posts on Tesla, I expected this exactly at this time period. I said that anybody wanting to buy in for long term will get one last chance as during the time they stop selling Roadsters and before they start delivering the Model S sedans (Dec 2011 to June 2012) they will tank one more time for a buy opportunity. Last week I thought about selling at 34.95 and then hope it tanked to buy more shares with the same money as I thought it would. But as I said I am in it for at least until the Model S is being delivered. Trying to "predict" the exact moments to buy and sell a volatile stock with the intent of staying in it is a fools game, as things can cause a loss that holding prevents. But seeing clearly that the Model S has between 5000 and 10,000 advance $5000.00 deposits, refundable of course, and that they will spend all of their liquid assets to finish the factory and build them, which is the normal flow of production and was known back when Motley hated them and later loved them and now hate them again. For example if I sold at 34.95 and was wrong about another big drop in price that I expected, I could have ended up with less shares. Being wrong on that is fine. I hope for 22.50 for another buy for me. Not bravado here, it is posted in my links here already. Go here to post number 43 in this thread: http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=93326&st=40 That was last August and I mentioned that I was looking for a big drop right about now between the time they stopped selling the Roadster and had missed a buying opportunity the week before. Well it dropped again and I bought, and again mentioned that it would tank again and consumer confidence would go down because they are a real threat to the ICE industry, and because with building the factory and doing the development of the Model S preproduction what is expected is now happening. Just like they did with the roadster that was a success that sold out the entire first two years production in advance with 100% deposits, and has been in continuous production and on the road since 2008. Everyone then said it would not happen and never get into production and then that it would never sell. As I also said in post #69 here, this was coming and I am getting together what I can to buy. This is a buying opportunity. Motley Fool? You mean the folks that flip flop 180 every few months on Tesla? Go to post 10 in this thread and there is a link where Motley said essentially the same thing. Then in Post 25 Motley loves TESLA. But glad you brought it up. If it goes under 22.50 I will buy whatever I can with whatever I can spare. Anybody can have stars in their eyes and say they made a wise investment. Anybody can throw stones like Motley and not own but say it is a bad investment, then change their minds a few months later. It is rare for one to predict within a few months that a stock will dunk and then rise again, not because they want it to prove anything, but because they want to buy more at every buy opportunity. Being a self proclaimed novice I can lead no one in investing. I will continue to follow the rule of buy low sell high. I am loving the volatility. Why? Because I know Elon Musk will bring it home. Just like the Roadster and the Falcon Rocket with his company Space X, and like he did with his company Pay Pa which he sold. I love the fact that while I make money, we will be employing American workers and starting up an American Company that has been global from the start. By the way Elon is launching to the ISS in February 2012 with one of his company's (Space X) Falcon Rockets. Go here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/12/date_set_for_first_spacex_dragon_to_iss/ Boeing and other folks said that a private small company could not develop and launch a successful new rocket without ten years of development and testing. SpaceX did it in 4 years? Boeing is trying to keep him out by lobby and beltway influence, but Elon is big enough to out them and got some share. Is Boeing too big to fail? Or have they become too big? Boeing's problem is that Space X is way cheaper to use. We are trying to cut budgets right? (Unless it causes problems for Boeing, then we pay much more?) Elon Musk is big enough to not be ignored. Then again some folks create their own concepts. You remember Paul Allen of MS Fame? And Burt Rutan? They are getting together to create a new much cheaper way to launch spacecraft. http://www.laobserved.com/biz/2011/12/paul_allen_joined_by.php I am not worried about my investment with Tesla and Musk. I would rather be a part of it and lose (which I believe I won't) than stand around watching. Investing is also about doing things, not just the money. But that boys club has plenty to keep thing successful. If you are looking for an opportunity don't say you didn't hear it from me since six months ago. It may go lower but my threshold is 22.50 to buy and I will kick myself if my buy order misses by a few cents and then it goes sky high again. I am secure in buying. Then I can wait to sell high. Selling is the only time you make, or lose money. Once again I am hoping my own stock tanks. The exact words I used back then. I will count my losses or gains after the ModelS is out.
  22. Cindona that is apples and oranges. But nice try I am not going political even if you are the OP of this thread, I will let you get your thread shut down all by yourself. Have you considered starting your own blog and website like I have and many others and then start up a free forum using free forum software strictly for political arguments and discussions? I don't have that on mine simply because I am not interested in moderating people who can't abide simple rules. Nor will I moderate here. You will also note on my site that I have some pretty warped humor, and much writing, on it with and no politics or religion anywhere on it. And I make the rules there. So why would you try to use me as a foil to espouse politics here? Sorry, not biting and I am out of your thread before it blows up by your own hand. You need a podium Cindona, why aren't you building one to see if they come? Running a website and forum isn't expensive and is easy to do. And it is quite acceptable to do that, no restrictions on you that way. Wouldn't that be fun for you?
  23. I will say that from a money making not a tree hugger perspective the clean energy markets are IMHO goi8ng to provide terrific opportunities to those that take the time to really look at what is happening now. Especially after the Solyndra fiasco. There are some amazing opportunities there but I have to wait for now. However about private industry being all in to clean energy tech the NY times had a great and insightful article today about the sector: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/business/energy-environment/a-cornucopia-of-help-for-renewable-energy.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2
  24. Ed the old kkeeping it under a mattress is no longer the only way to lose money by holding it. Having it liquid in savings is the same thing today at the low rates offered, if you want to call rapes rates. I invested for the first time myself in TSLA and bought first few shares just after IPO Aug 2010 @ 17. More @ 22.5 Mar 2011. Final block @ 22.5 Aug 2011. Last Friday close 33.64 = +49.51 % YTD. Factoring the earlier 2010 shares makes it more but only enough to make it 50%. So I made just over 50% had I sold Friday. But I didn't and won't until the Model S and perhaps 2013. I can't make or lose anything in the market if I don't buy. I won't make or lose anything until I sell what I bought. My feeling is to hold until after the Model S debuts and quite possibly until they are completely in the black in 2013. There is no short explanation for that. But anybody can find my reasoning by reading every blog from the website and everything published online which would fill several books. I was interested enough to have done all that reading as it was written and before most even knew they existed. All of that does not give me much of an edge on knowing in advance when to sell to most advantage. I don't presume to know anything about the market. I was just tired of not making anything with the way under 1% interest on my liquid assets. Had the same insight towards Apple at 55 in 2005 and did not act on my feelings then. Having even stronger feelings about the future of Tesla I finally jumped into buying individual stocks and would be horrified if anybody followed my lead and lost any money. Nor could I take any credit for making it as Tesla is making it for me. However, even though my tiny investment may mean nothing to them in terms of my investment making or breaking them, it means more to me to invest in a company I believe in more than just for dollars and cents. Making a lot of money is a big bonus. I am a realist. Some investments make a lot of sense. Others make little cents. And others just make scents. Stocks are just a teeny tiny part of my overall holdings and investments. Or I should say stock, because I am not qualified to delve into investigating multiple stocks for myself. Nor want to be. If the experts really were we would not have had an unforeseen crash. Each of them would be batting 1000. We are looking hard and heavy for rental properties right now that are fire sales as single family residences
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