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#1 Dmaxallitech

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 01:40 PM

Couldn't help to notice while learning who ou all are by reading signatures and other posts that very few seem to have the Cat engines. I see a lot of Detroits and ISX and seems all the Volvo's are using the D12. I was excited to find mine had a 3406e set at 475 hp. Surely plenty of power to tote my 50' trailer around.
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#2 Bill B

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:07 PM

Dmax - cat left the market in 2007-8 with the change in EPA regs. before that, they were having trouble in the emissions so they have not been put in trucks in 5-6 years. Pretty good engines prior to that

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#3 Dmaxallitech

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:15 PM

Yea, I remember when they left the marker and I don't blame hem as it was a pretty small market for them anyways. Even the older rigs don't seem to have them. I have found very few Volvo's with that engine, wonder why.....
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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:54 PM

Have a C-12 in our Kenworth. No complains, but really don't have anything to compare it with.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:55 PM

i have a c13 in my truck. it runs good. but for the amount of miles we drive any of the diesels would of been fine. all engines have their quirks, ups, and downs. i dont think you can go wrong with any engine that is running strong.

i also do not think volvo ever put a cat in their trucks.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 04:21 PM

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 04:24 PM

Cat left the on-highway engine market at the end of the 2009 calendar year (they didn't build any EPA '10 compliant engines), but a few stockpiled EPA '07 Cat engines built through 12/31/09 can be found in 2011 model year trucks.

They're not all that common among trucks here on the forum for several reasons, but primarily it is a matter of availability:

The most commonly found trucks here, the VN-series Volvos, stopped offering Cat engines beginning with the 1999 model year, if I'm not mistaken, so Cat-powered Volvos are extremely rare.

Freightliner, the second most common brand here, offered Cat engines right up to the end, but the most commonly found engine in Freightliner products is the Detroit Diesel, which, like Freightliner itself, is owned by Daimler Trucks North America, so for the last ten years or so, it's been almost a proprietary engine offering in FL trucks.

Like Freightliner, International offered Cat engines until they left the market, but other engine makes seemed to enjoy higher installation rates.

Cat enjoyed their highest installation rates in the PACCAR brands -- Kenworth and Peterbilt. I suspect that the majority of the handful of Cat engines represented here are installed in Peterbilts and Kenworths
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Other non-availability factors accounting for the relative lack of Cat powered RV haulers, at least in my opinion, are as follows:

Caterpillar "bet the ranch" on the non-EGR ACERT engines as the solution to the EPA '04 reguirements, then compounded the significance of that gamble by running late with the development and certification of ACERT. When the market finally skewed toward the Cooled EGR-equipped engines instead of rejecting them, as Cat had hoped, they began losing market share. That resulted in fewer Cat-equipped late model trucks on the market. ACERT's lack of success relative to the CEGR-equipped engines -- combined with the fact that Cat was committed to sticking with ACERT for their industrial and non-highway engines -- probably led to their decision to abandon the on-highway market, rather than to develop EPA '10-compliant engines.

The most common and most popular Cat engine that was installed in over the road tractors, the C15 (the more heavily electronically controlled, later model version of your 3406E) is seldom found mated to the automated transmissions favored by most HDT RVers. This is probably the single biggest factor accounting for the lack of Cat-powered RV haulers.

Finally, Cat engines have the reputation for having higher parts and repair costs relative to other engines ("They paint 'em gold for a reason.") and slightly lower fuel economy, so many don't include Cat on their "short list" of preferred powerplants when shopping for a truck.

I have one of the relatively few Caterpillar powered trucks to be found here (although it's a less common C12, not a C15), and I've been well pleased with it to date. At 395 HP and 1450 lb/ft through 8th gear and 445 HP and 1650 lb/ft in the top four gears it has plenty of power for the hills here in the east, and they tend in many cases to be steeper than in the west, since they tended to just build roads over the mountains, rather than finding a pass to cut through. As far as fuel mileage, I don't travel nearly as much as most guys here do, but at right around 40,000# gross and typically running 65-67 MPH, it appears to get right around 8 MPG, which is in line with the experience of many of the other truck owners here, so while not a fuel mileage champion, it's not unreasonably expensive to operate, either.

Finally, a belated warm welcome to our little corner of the 'Net. As the owner of an LBZ-powered '07 Silverado SB CC 4WD pickup I've seen many of your posts over on that "other" fourm, but it's good to see you over here.
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#8 Dmaxallitech

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 05:21 PM

Thanks for the info. I didn't know how rare the Cat option was but if they quit that in 99 then I must have caught the tale end of that era. I never gave a thought to not seeing t behind the auto's.
My Volvo practically fell in my lap, and while it was not in mint condition, I don't mind tinkering. I really like the idea of the pre emission engine and no harder then we work these trucks, I don't figure it should require much more then maintenance.
PhilD, the "other" sites have really burned me out, not what they used to be for sure. So far, it's a refreshing change over here in regards to typical forums I have frequented
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Posted 15 July 2012 - 06:34 PM

We are running a 425 Cat tuned to a 500. 1.5 million miles and still running strong.
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Posted 15 July 2012 - 06:56 PM

Sometime back I was in a truck stop shop waiting for my service to be completed, a driver came in for a PM and the service writer said "What kind of tractor?" He said " '97 Pete", she asked "What engine?" He looked at her like she had just insulted his Momma and said indignantly, "Cat of course!" with the implication that anything else would be heresy.
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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:28 PM

Sometime back I was in a truck stop shop waiting for my service to be completed, a driver came in for a PM and the service writer said "What kind of tractor?" He said " '97 Pete", she asked "What engine?" He looked at her like she had just insulted his Momma and said indignantly, "Cat of course!" with the implication that anything else would be heresy.



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Posted 15 July 2012 - 11:25 PM

I have one of the older trucks on this forum, with one of the very few all mechanical 3406B Caterpiller's. Back in the day, if you had a Cat you "geared up & throttled down". Early engine for low rpm torque.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:04 PM

My truck is an '02 chassis. It was ordered from Freightliner to be built into a truck conversion so never saw commercial use. I've got about 83,xxx miles on it now. I'm betting I've got the lowest mileage on here. Very happy with the C-12 in it. Most trucker guys I visit with at the truck stops tell me that's a good engine.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:00 PM

Mine is a C-13 with 425 HP and 1550 torque. Close to broke in at 62,000 miles.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:22 PM

96 ford aeromax with a cat 3306 mechanical...I have never been a big cat fan
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:34 PM

I've got the little kitty in the RumRunner, 3126E 210hp, but I only weigh a bit over 19k and she's long, low and slippery in the wind.
Once in 5th, set cruise and forget shifting.

I'd love to crank her up to 230-250 but local CAT dealer says they wont allow it. (fascist bully butts)

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:14 AM

Mine is a C-13 with 425 HP and 1550 torque. Close to broke in at 62,000 miles.


You've got an '04 Pete 389 with 62,000 miles?! How'd that happen?
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 03:01 PM

One other reason, the Cat plant close to us. Were working OT just trying to keep the ones on the road rebuilt. I have family that works there, they were seeing hundreds per week that were melting down. Part of it was the new regs and the motors not liking those. But most were just not built right from the start. This plant has been working wide open for years. Just rebuilding motors that are in warrant. Now they still have plenty to do, but it just motors that make one truck load when they haul them in.
Have a buddy that has 200+ trucks. He only ran cats for years. But the last 6 years cat was still putting motors in trucks. He was having more issues then even he could handle. So he also swapped motors leaving the Cat's he had been running for years.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 04:38 AM

DAMIANF;
My newest project is 84 359 pete with 3406B. I'm just a few days from getting it back on the road for final shakedown prior to building the body. Where do you run (rpm, speed) your truck? What kind of weight are you hauling, and pardon me but what fuel mileage are you getting. Mechanically mine has been refreshed, and I'm currently waiting on shocks,springs and bushings for front end, parts didn't arrive yesterday. I now know every nut, bolt, wire, and connection on this truck. Really looking forward to getting it going. Not sure HP setting yet, will probably have to run it on dyno, 13 sp, 3.55 rear singled.


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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:22 AM

Hey Mike, mine is set @400hp, and I'm running 1450(ish) for 65 mph with an RTO14615 and 355's. If I'm very light on the throttle and boost, say 7psi or below, I can get 8 mpg with a twin screw, weighing in just under 40k. That's presuming I don't try to drive it like a sports car off the line ! I've had this truck for over a decade, and when I bought it I ran the numbers and know that it's not the original engine in the frame. However, it is identical to what was in there, by my conversation with Wagner Caterpiller here in Denver. I had them check out the engine after I had Kenworth run a dyno on it. They were of the mind that it had about 250k original miles on it from casually looking it over. No tear down or anything. But hey, it could have 500k on it, and who would ever know for sure without spending far more than it's worth just to find out. I'd like to see some pictures of your Pete. Damian

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