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#1 oscarvan

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:51 AM

Does anyone use this? Example Equal..... Does anyone change their own tires? Just watched some videos and it didn't look too bad. Is it worth it? Or is the cost of mounting and spin balancing not too bad?
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:32 AM

I have it in the front tires of my truck. I won't make any claims on the effectiveness, but I don't have a balance problem either.
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#3 oscarvan

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:33 AM

How about wheel centering, is that an issue? Just found a product called "true balance" which claims to improve wheel centering.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:37 AM

Wheel return to centre is a function of caster. Only. Nothing else. No snake oil will affect it.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:40 AM

Are you talking about Equal powder/beads?
I have never used them but I know Equal (powder) can blow out the valve stem if you release the air and if you use a TPMS air senser system then the powder will damage them but beads should not damage them (maybe)
On changing tires if talking about regular pick-up/car no problem. But if you are talking about HDT tires NO WAY, If by your self, you could not even lift/mount the tire because of the weight. And to change the tire on the rim, again no way. To many bead breakers and hammer/sledge need to be used. (also Dam hard work)

For HDT's let the pros do it, your health/back pain is not worth the money saved.



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Posted 22 April 2012 - 12:42 PM

I have equal in my rear tires. Didn't know of an issue with TPMS. Glad I didn't finish the Pressure Pro install.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 01:45 PM

I have watched the tire guy changing 22.5's in the middle of winter , outside , in our bus yard - by himself and on the ground .man not for me but it can be done.
not just changing a wheel mind you but rubber to rim thenn on to a bus wheuu

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 01:56 PM

This guy makes it look easy...........


Edited by oscarvan, 22 April 2012 - 01:57 PM.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 01:59 PM

Wheel return to centre is a function of caster. Only. Nothing else. No snake oil will affect it.


I was talking about centering the wheel/tire assembly on the hub/drum, and it's possible related vibrations not tracking/alignment etc.

I'm starting to study this stuff as I hate vibrations (shimmy) and will chase them until I eliminate them.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 02:21 PM

My understanding is that if you use the equal powder that you need to use the equal valve core that has a filter in it. It is to keep the powder in the tire and then it will not damage the TPMS. I have used it in my F450 and it is in the 17.5 on my Moblie Suites. It seems to work and with the filtered valve cores the TPMS has worked fine.

Edited by MCraven210, 22 April 2012 - 02:26 PM.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 03:13 PM

Because I'm wanting to learn, why the power balancer rather than Centramatics?

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:03 PM

FWIW none of my tires are balanced, no powder, no centramatics, no wts. No vibs at all. Steers can be peeled off and installed without pulling the wheel off the truck. Rears not so easy. I still will leave it for the tire guy. Airing them up can be a challenge. I can with the right tools pull the wheels off and put back on. Torque is very high so need a large bar and torque wrench...500ftlbs. Good Sam on the road is a good thing!

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:30 PM

I can add only this to what Bill R said: Ditto

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:28 PM

Buy a good tire or tires. Most will not need balancing. Spin balacing on the truck for the fronts are best....can be very hard to find a spin balancer. Sometimes you can remound the tire 180 degees around and it will good. My Bridgestones have a mark from the factory for you to mount that mark at the valve stem.

The powder does not mix well with moisture.....can cause a out-of-balance problem.

The beads are ok....I have used them and keep some in the truck....but not in tires.

Always pay a little extra for balanced brake drums....worth the $$$


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:38 PM

I use Centramatics all around front and rears. I have heard tire guys don't like the beads or powder because it is messy but it does work. Centramatics are more expensive than powder or beads.

My Dad was a Tireman starting in the early 50's I guess it was before he became and mechanic for the same company. The company fleet numbered 50 plus semi-tractor trailers. I remember seeing him dismount and mount tires both on and off the trucks in the shop and on the road by hand. Later got tire machines for both the service truck and shop making the job so much easier. Geesh was a youngster then but was way impressed. :D

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:49 PM

When I was starting to collect parts I knew I didn't want stuff in the tires that make it either harder to patch or cause issues with remote pressure sensors. I have read about golf balls, goo, powder, birdshot, BB's, etc and decided it was Centramatics for me since that is what the professional real truckers rely on. So I bought a new pair for my fronts and no, they were not cheap. Then a few months later one of the saved searches I have on eBay for Centramatics popped up a set off a tandem tractor in NJ. It was two fronts and four rears, "like new" and while not near home, it happened I was driving that way in a few weeks. I bought all six for $100 - the driver had been killed in a car accident and the family was selling these. I sold the two used fronts, and two of the rears for a little more than I had in the two fronts I had bought new and it happened that all six were like new. So for not too much in total dollars I had what I wanted. Not saying they are on eBay all the time, but if you're not in a rush you might try that.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 04:56 PM


When I was starting to collect parts I knew I didn't want stuff in the tires that make it either harder to patch or cause issues with remote pressure sensors. I have read about golf balls, goo, powder, birdshot, BB's, etc and decided it was Centramatics for me since that is what the professional real truckers rely on. So I bought a new pair for my fronts and no, they were not cheap. Then a few months later one of the saved searches I have on eBay for Centramatics popped up a set off a tandem tractor in NJ. It was two fronts and four rears, "like new" and while not near home, it happened I was driving that way in a few weeks. I bought all six for $100 - the driver had been killed in a car accident and the family was selling these. I sold the two used fronts, and two of the rears for a little more than I had in the two fronts I had bought new and it happened that all six were like new. So for not too much in total dollars I had what I wanted. Not saying they are on eBay all the time, but if you're not in a rush you might try that.

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Would you say they do what they are said to do? Can you tell any difference?

Edited by oscarvan, 24 April 2012 - 04:56 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:08 PM

Oscar,

Wish I could, I can tell you they don't shimmy or shake one bit on my KW that is still on jack stands while I am completing the bed, reconstructing the interior and laying paint on the remaining body I didn't get finished straightening and filling a few years ago. However as Bob mentioned they do work - he didn't say he had compared the running difference, if there is any. My reason as I posted was to avoid some of the other issues that various internal balancing can create and since the pros go that way I was just pointing out another method to get them at a lower cost.

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The weather is warmer, I've a lot more get up and go and I spend more time on finishing the truck - however, the rain falls - grass grows and I have to spend three days a week mowing 6+ acres.  Then because I am retired somehow my DW things since she still works that I needed to be appointed grocery getter, chef, dish washer and other chores.  So the story is that more is getting done, but still not as fast as I'd like.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:49 PM

I agree that something external would be preferable to something inside the tire.....
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:53 PM

Also, even assuming the benefit is the same, if you have a tire or replaced you need to re-install the powder or have the tire guy do it versus just slipping the Centramatics off and then back on the wheel studs. So one less thing to keep up with considering all the other stuff there is to remember.

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2008 451 smart Passion - with a few goodies added.

The weather is warmer, I've a lot more get up and go and I spend more time on finishing the truck - however, the rain falls - grass grows and I have to spend three days a week mowing 6+ acres.  Then because I am retired somehow my DW things since she still works that I needed to be appointed grocery getter, chef, dish washer and other chores.  So the story is that more is getting done, but still not as fast as I'd like.