Used MDT values Options

[SDmotor]

I found an 05 GMC 4500 with a Monroe bed/gooseneck with 21k miles. Asking price is 38,900. I wanted to research and see what its actual value would be and can't find a blue book of sorts for MDT's or the like. Is there a source online somewhere?

edit: It's got the Duramax diesel in it.

This post has been edited by SDmotor: Apr 15 2010, 02:34 PM

[bstark]

Henry; I'll admit it in a heartbeat; at least as far as money spent is concerned. I'll fudge a bit on the performance other than to say I wish it had more. I believe the mileage I'm getting would have been better with a bigger engine contrary to popular myth. My rear gears (3:08's) with my tenth O/D of .74 are great for economy on the flat but have me stirring the soup urn big time in the hills.

In short that old adage of "it ain't what you got but how you use it" won't carry the day and "bigger is better" !

[J.W. Morgan]

Well my "money maker" has a 3406E (14.7L) and gets 9.8mpg and I drive it like I stole it every chance I get, I admit
it is ugly but it is purpose built and works really well for it.

[Stanley P. Mille...]

I finally won an argument on MDT/HDT with the wife, when we sold our MDT I lost more on selling the MDT than the HDT I wanted cost.

Still it was a decent truck and safer by far than a pickup but I'd sure like to have that $35,000 bath I took back in my checkbook!

[bstark]

Aaah, Stanley, didn't much like hearing that as we're coming off the road as well after buying a house in Florida to snowbird to. Whew, I guess now we're gonna find out first hand what taking a bath is all about eh?

[waylandlong]

Bstark
I JUST sent a driver towards Austin to pick up a 2007 International with 31k miles that I bought today. Full Blown Western Hauler conversion effort, leather, GPS, Rear Vision, etc.... I bid them 55k on it one month ago, they cussed me, and slammed the phone in my ear when I made the offer. Now remember, they called me and asked me to buy it outright. No trade, no nothing.. I bought the truck this evening for 51 grand... It was 111k brand new before tax...

This post has been edited by waylandlong: Apr 20 2010, 06:52 PM

[Stanley P. Mille...]

Wayland, That was nice of you, in the market today I'd bet you could have offered them less and they'd have to have taken it.

Anybody that finds a buyer today should seriously consider selling, there is a fair chance they will be your only offer.

[hjsdds]

There is something about MDTs that puts them in the category of "distressed purchases" and "distressed sales".

Surely, plopping down something on the south side of 100K for a frame with four wheels, steering wheel and a small engine, would give anybody a pause, unless you are a Wall Street type peddling subprime mortgages.

Yeah, I went through an MDT phase too.

I didn't do too bad, I'm like Wayland, I like "distressed situations". The truck had 40,000 miles on it and I was going to be the third owner. The first owner found himself in "distress" which "helped" the second owner. The second owner "really found himself in distress", hence yours truly came to the "rescue". We went to Florida with cash in hand and left just ahead of a sheriff organizing a chase party.
Bounced around in it for 4 years and decided to get a "real truck". Now the SOB became "my distress". Kept lowering the price, not a nibble for a year, thought it was going to become a friggin' lawn ornament. Finally when I put the price into a "distress area" got three offers in a week. I didn't do too badly, but only because I was already a beneficiary of two "distresses" before me and bought it for cash. Plus I got to use it for four years.
But if I were watching it depreciate down from 100K plus, they'd have lock me up in a rubber room.

hjs

This post has been edited by hjsdds: Apr 22 2010, 12:19 AM

[waylandlong]

And to that I will add that there is nothing "cheaper" right now than a "used semi" and they are getting cheaper and they are going to keep getting cheaper until the country goes back to work. Am I the only one that notices this website stays full of "HDTs" for sale and we have a couple on here that have been for sale since Noah was in Little League?

Everybody has a special need, everybody has a trade in, everybody has a story. Every deal is different. Nowdays, especially in this economy, folks want to see assets, establishment, stability, liability, and full service capability.

Buying these bigger trucks is a decision to commit to owning the vehicle long term, and "re-training" your thought process as far as vehicle ownership goes. The more specialized something is, the harder it is to sell, unless you are in that business, and then it becomes easier. In this climate an individual is going to have a very very hard time selling anything.

The HDT is the "least expensive" way to go right now, as long as you do not mind dealing with alot of unknowns and smelling like a "Pakistani 15 dollar a night motel lobby".........

There is NO substitution for an Allison Automatic, and I will match the towing capabilities of a 2L prepared M2-112 Crew Cab against anybody's truck on Escapees.

[JM]

Don't know that this info will help those wanting to sell their trucks as much as their trailer or fiver but there is a housing shortage in North Dakota which may provide an opportunity to sellers. If you are interested in selling you may want to plan your last summer trip with a big For Sale Sign in the window to include ND this summer and then fly home.

A State With Plenty of Jobs but Few Places to Live

The article goes on to say the motels, apts and rentals are all full. People are living in their trucks in parking lots.

[RVGary]

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And to that I will add that there is nothing "cheaper" right now than a "used semi" and they are getting cheaper and they are going to keep getting cheaper until the country goes back to work. Am I the only one that notices this website stays full of "HDTs" for sale and we have a couple on here that have been for sale since Noah was in Little League?

Everybody has a special need, everybody has a trade in, everybody has a story. Every deal is different. Nowdays, especially in this economy, folks want to see assets, establishment, stability, liability, and full service capability.

Buying these bigger trucks is a decision to commit to owning the vehicle long term, and "re-training" your thought process as far as vehicle ownership goes. The more specialized something is, the harder it is to sell, unless you are in that business, and then it becomes easier. In this climate an individual is going to have a very very hard time selling anything.

The HDT is the "least expensive" way to go right now, as long as you do not mind dealing with alot of unknowns and smelling like a "Pakistani 15 dollar a night motel lobby".........

There is NO substitution for an Allison Automatic, and I will match the towing capabilities of a 2L prepared M2-112 Crew Cab against anybody's truck on Escapees.

We decided to drive out to Poolville yesterday and visit 2L. Wayland is a character! We thoroughly enjoyed visiting with him. We had planned to chat with him about converting an M2 for us. Four hours later, we wound up buying his last 09 International instead! Prepping it as we speak -- Detail, new batteries, Oil, fuel filter and a hitch switch and more stuff that makes it show room ready. Pick it up Tuesday and head to CA Saturday. This is definitely the LAST truck!

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[grumpydoc]

RVGary, congrats on your new truck, you'll love it!! Every time you take it some place everybody wants to look at it. Wayland, I'm real proud of my 2L 112 but I don't want to race against some of these guys, some of them have real big engines and a lot more gears than I do!! But I'm not ready to trade anybody, my trucks still smells like new leather seats, no smokers allowed, Best wishes, Jay and Kathy

[blizzardND]

Don't know that this info will help those wanting to sell their trucks as much as their trailer or fiver but there is a housing shortage in North Dakota which may provide an opportunity to sellers. If you are interested in selling you may want to plan your last summer trip with a big For Sale Sign in the window to include ND this summer and then fly home.

A State With Plenty of Jobs but Few Places to Live

The article goes on to say the motels, apts and rentals are all full. People are living in their trucks in parking lots.

Williston is my home town, they could have opened the 1981 newspaper and just changed the dates for that story. Back then most slept in tents, now they are hauling in skid mounted housing units from all over the country. Halliburtian is moving the entire Olympic village from Vancouver Canada for their employees. My Dad has/had a the only mobile home dealership in town, sold it last week to a multiple location dealer from Bismarck/Rapid City. They brought in their own service guys because there are none to hire in Williston. Thats why dad sold, way too much work, no help and people desperately need his houses, at 66 and not walking very well after rolling his toter 4 years ago, he sold out. The next day the new guys inked a deal for a bunch of new double wides.

Dad and my uncle and his partner moved thousands of houses into Williston in the 70's and one by one moved hundreds out in the 80's. I bought 3 repos as I went to college and needed places to stay. when I moved on, I sold and had Dad bring me the next beater to fix up and flip. Those same old rat traps would bring big bucks now.

After the bust the mobile home parks were so emptied out around town that the city and the courts made a deal, they would pay to move all the houses from the huge new court on the outskirts of town, fill all the empty in town courts, the the city shut off the water and the utilities pulled all the meters. That court has been sold to some developers who bought it, and are selling the spots with their new doublewides and are basically printing money. They wanted dad in on the project but way too much work with no help and everything else going on too.

If you live in Williston you are not allowed by any hotel to rent a hotel room, so much for a cheap date and a room. Speaking of rooms the new guys had their crew come up from Rapid City last week to move and set a house. 40mph winds all day, so they loaded up and went back to their hotel room, in Belfield ND 115 miles south of town! he he, they will learn

If you decide to go North to peddle your trailers or rigs, PM me, I'm sure my Dad has for the first time in forever, some time to help you peddle it.

-blizz

This post has been edited by blizzardND: Apr 22 2010, 09:23 PM

[J.W. Morgan]

Damnit! I sold the house too early!

[dunenfool]

Looking at all the mdt's for sale, I can't find any the price ranges you guys are talking about. Once in a while I see a m2 with a hauler bed usually with 120k or more miles on it and usually with 300hp or less in the 55-60k range, most that I see for sale are 2-3 years old never titled in the 75 range -120k. I see a few older fl50,60,70, usually 10 years old or more in the 30-40k. I have been watching for about 4 months. Don't see much selling.

What I would like is something Low profile that can carry 2 adults and two children, tow a 18k toyhauler through the mountains, automatic trans. I would love to spend 40k tops.

I currently use a Towboss f-350 and it does it fine but It is tiring on long trips.

Don't want to go HDT (we are in california) What should I be looking for, or is this a need that can't be met for the Dollars I can commit?

Love to find an m2 with the 450 mbz for $50k L.O.L

[Jack Mayer]

If the 350 is tiring on long trips you will likely find the MDT even more so. At least the older ones. The newer M2s and such ride better. Unless you just mean that you are being pushed around by the trailer. At least that is my experience.

[dunenfool]

I think it is mostly just the stress level of driving such a large rig which is pretty close to maxed out. If it were just flat ground, no traffic I would be fine. It is the hills or should I say mountains that the truck has to work so hard to maintain speed, the stop and go through the LA area, The 8mpg that drops to 5 over the grapevine. So you are saying that MDT's are louder, ride rougher and require more effort to drive than an f-350?

[grumpydoc]

Dunenfool, I've had a GMC 3500 crew cab dually, M2 106, and M2 112, I would say my personal experience is the MDT and HDT were much less stressful to drive, not noticebly louder, and with air ride cab, rear suspeinsion and seats, rode well. Just my opinion but for heavy 5ers an MDT or HDT are a much better and safer choice. What you want to avoid is the mistake that I and others have made of buying two or more trucks to get the one right truck, gets expensive that way. Best wishes, Jay and Kathy

[waylandlong]

RV Gary is picking up a new International 4400 from us on Tuesday. I believe he said he went form a single wheel, to a dually, to a Dodge 5500 (ton and a half), to this new International. Just like Grumpy Doc.....

[Jack Mayer]

The older MDTs that I drove were no improvement on ride and noise over my F550. Or a 350, for that matter. In fact, they were far worse IMO....The newer MDTs are likely better - Wayland would have the scoop on that. With air ride etc a newer MDT is likely as good as an HDT over the road - but those have been set up for that function by someone like Wayland. The good thing is that the stopping is SO MUCH better that it is amazing.

[LCarter]

Guys,
I recently switched from an F-350 to a 2007 M2 106. My Montana weights in around 14,500 lbs. As far as comfort going down the road, there is no comparison. M2 is much better. The F-350 pulled fine but stopping is far better with the M2. I would say that if I went to a heavier trailer, I would like more pulling power. On the steeper climbs, my M2 lacks staying power compared to bigger trucks. It does fine but will not accelerate in the middle of a long grade. It will settle in 4th at about 47 mph and continue to climb. You can put the pedal to the metal but nothing changes. I would never go back to a light duty truck.

Just my opinion! LCarter