sfritz Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 We are considering an up grade to a Class A diesel. The newer coaches seem to be going All Electric. How reliable are they, do they have the systems functioning well? What do you have to give up when you go all electric? Thanks for helping us thru this new research. I always come here for the best answers!! 2015 Newmar Dutch Star 4375 Chevy Z71 toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Think of what appliances are involved. Gas range = electric cooktop, long time proved. Oven = most people have changed to convection ovens. Water heater, we have never used the gas for our water heater, only the electric element. Refrigerator = many RV s are now using household refrigerators. Heater = heat pumps. Only if you want to boondock a lot, does the substitution of electricity for propane become an issue. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I agree with Mark. Only if you intend to boondock a LOT do you need to consider the benefits of propane. That ASSUMES that the diesel pusher has proper modern replacements for the propane appliances, and that it is using a diesel Aqua Hot or equivalent for heating. Given that, I'd have no issue with an all electric/diesel coach. Boondocking for a week would be fine, but longer will be annoying. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 My experience with my previous DRV and current Teton is hot water heater heats slowly on electric. Reckon one could put a hot element in but it would use a lot of power. There is a few new parks with 100 amp hookups. Would hate to have to depend on one. We keep ours on propane. Asked DW about a electric cook top and she got defensive. Loves her gas. I shut up 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimalberta Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I think all electric is the future. One day propane will be an expensive " upgrade". <p>....JIM and LINDA......2001 American Eagle 40 '.towing a GMC Sierra 1500 4X4 with RZR in the rear. 1999 JEEP Cherokee that we tow as well. IT IS A CONTENTED MAN WHO CAN APPRECIATE THE SCENERY ALONG A DETOUR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekim Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 With all electric you will need the generator too cook unless you use a charcoal , pellet or propane grill. A heating unit like an aquahot can provide heading fuel but you still need to drive pumps and fans so it will use a decent amount of batteries. From what I understand most people with all electric need to run the generator some in the am and in the evening to keep the batteries charged. I think you would need a significant solar setup AND cooperating weather to completely avoid the generator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbaraok Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 My experience with my previous DRV and current Teton is hot water heater heats slowly on electric. Reckon one could put a hot element in but it would use a lot of power. There is a few new parks with 100 amp hookups. Would hate to have to depend on one. We keep ours on propane. Asked DW about a electric cook top and she got defensive. Loves her gas. I shut up We never turn our water heater off. And we have this thing where while driving the water is heated by a loop from the radiator, so REALLY hot when we pull in. If I was doing it, I'd put in an induction cooktop. Already using convection/microwave oven. Heat pumps for cool northern summer evenings would suit us to a T. Unfortunately not going to change now, but a nice dream Barb & Dave O'Keeffe 2002 Alpine 36 MDDS (Figment II), 2018 Ford C-Max HYBRID Blog: http://www.barbanddave.net SPK# 90761 FMCA #F337834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeBeFulltimers Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 My experience with my previous DRV and current Teton is hot water heater heats slowly on electric. Reckon one could put a hot element in but it would use a lot of power. There is a few new parks with 100 amp hookups. Would hate to have to depend on one. We keep ours on propane. Asked DW about a electric cook top and she got defensive. Loves her gas. I shut up Our 12 gallon Suburban has a recovery time of 25-30 minutes on electricity. That doesn't seem like a long time to me but never compared it to any others so maybe it is. We also like cooking with gas but do wish we had a quality cooktop instead of the junk the factory installs. Fulltiming since September 1, 2010 2012 Ford F-350 PSD SRW Lariat Crew Cab 2012 Montana 3585SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 An all electric diesel pusher typically has a pretty large battery bank and at least a 2800 watt inverter. They also typically have the Aqua Hot system which provides heat and hot water from a diesel-fired boiler. Heat is distributed either through registers, or through in-floor hydronic heat (or both, in some cases). Cooking is typically a two burner electric cooktop (induction or not) and that can easily run off the battery bank and inverter. Convection/microwave handles the rest, and for short tasks can run off the battery bank. Air conditioning has to be run off the genset. Most of these coaches are 50 amp conventional RV wiring. There are a few that are 100 amp or that have provision to use 50 amp AND 30 amp, but that is rare. There is enough power with 50 amps to run such a coach. But most have electrical management systems to balance power and automatically turn things off as required. I've participated in the design of a couple of 5th wheels (high end units) that were similarly set up, with a 12 KW diesel genset. These had large solar systems on them and at least 1.5kw battery banks. They were heated with electric and diesel. And were very capable of boondocking. But they were not cheap to build. (Far less than a DP, though). Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdrider Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 We have had both, not all electric and all electric and for us we like the all electric (just our opinion). I know propane has been around for ever but I just like not having to worry about it. Our convection cooktop may not be of the highest quality but we have learned to work with it and if it really bothered us I guess we would upgrade it. We love the residential refer over he old Norcold hands down. Our Auqa Hot does a great job and we have no problem on the electric side as long as the outside temps remain in the mid 40's and up but anything colder and we switch over to diesel. I wouldn't say we boondock a lot but normally around 10 weeks per year but we installed 1120 watts of solar on the roof and upgraded our battery bank to 6 Lifeline 6CT's and if we took it easy and have sunny days we could probably go without running the gen but we like TV in the evenings, we keep our computers plugged in and the entertainment system (like the Direct TV box ect.) so we don't play the unplug this and unplug that game. Doing so we can still make a pot of coffee in the morning without worrying about power but I tend to still run the gen for maybe an hour just to get the batteries perking (and I don't know if that is needed but I sort of feel I'm waking them up and getting them ready to start taking a charge when the sun comes up LOL!!) Oh, guess I do hit the refer cooler off button when we go to bed knowing the doors will remain shut all night and then hit it again in the morning to turn it back on. It only drops a couple degree's so I have seen no issue with that so far. It's all personal choice but like I said, we love all electric. Dave & Diane 2020 New Horizon Majestic 5th wheel 2018 Ram 5500 2014 Tiffin Phaeton 42LH (SOLD) 2012 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited (SOLD)http://daveanddiane.wordpress.com/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWqRmO1rO4cu3rFANF1iG6Q http://tickers.TickerFactory.com/ezt/d/4;10752;80/st/20120701/e/Went+fulltime/dt/-2/k/271f/event.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty77_7 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I'm also thinking that more coaches in the future will have more, or all, electric then we've seen in the last 50-60+ years. Especially as lithium based systems continue to drop in price, having many power advantages for their size of space, weight and faster recharge times. Solar panels keep getting larger in output and smaller in size, year after year too. Pro's - No propane. Less overall weight. Less complications in systems to support and manage both electric and propane. Potentially more environmental friendly. Usually less risk of fire, from not open flames. And with the no propane tank, more room for storage of other things. Note: Most of this assuming moving towards Lithium based. But say AGM, and I still think even with added batteries to beef up AH bank, the weight and space gains would still be favorable. Con's - Potentially more expensive, especially if Lithium based. One less option for heating of water, and house, with no propane tank. Boon docking could be impacted, with the potential need of more generator run time. (We just had a good example on our current year travel of traveling. We spent 14 days in Apgar Campground at West Glacier. Even with our 1200W of panels getting sporadic and partially shaded sun for about 3 hours a day, we were not able to maintain SOC levels to where we like them. So, more generator usage. Same thing happened in Banff National Park, for our 8 day visit. And at these parks, you're at the mercy of the rules of generator hours. We found we quite often missed the Apgar Campground mid day time to run the generator, as we were out and about. And we found the Banff NP generator hours in the AM (9:00-10:30AM), to be restrictive. It would impact our ability to get out and go somewhere earlier in the day, as we wanted to get the 90 mins available to charge the batteries. Two hours, 5:00-7:00PM, also meant being back to camp earlier then we'd normally like. And even with both AM and PM cycles, there were days that we'd end the evening generator run time and be at between 90-95%. It was an interesting spectrum of society, watching those that ignored the generator hour rules, until they were sometimes visited and asked to turn it off. But I'd say most of the time, no one ever asked anyone to turn off their generators out of the allowable time window.) Did not mean to get off track here too much, but propane does give you the option to boondock longer in areas with lower sunshine available for solar charging, and or with restrictive generator hour allowances. I'll also second that many of today's higher end DP's have water and coach heating covered via Aqua/Hydro Hot. I'd have to say that I'm overall in favor of 'all electric'. We've removed our Norcold and gone to Samsung Residential. So our only coach usage for LP is now our Stove Top. It is the cheap looking and of less then great quality Atwood 3 burner that are in many hundreds of thousands of coaches and trailers. It does 'OK' for the purpose of cooking. We have a separate counter top Induction Burner that we use for many things, especially when hot outside. I've broached the subject with the DW on adding a shift to full Induction Cooktop, and completely abandoning our large propane tank. Convert that space to more storage, heck, maybe even add a secondary Grey tank to expand capacity. But even if we did this, and even as more coaches come out as All Electric. I'd like to still see a dedicated storage area for say a 20lb LP Bottle. Maybe one that can easily be clamped in for traveling. Being able to leave it in the coach and run the LP hose out to a heater, BBQ, Amazing Campfire In A Can, etc. Or, quick release and remove it to move it to where you may want to use it. So I would like to see new coaches and trailers that go All Electric, still provide a safe storage and easy access option for external LP. And though this sounds a bit hypocritical, I'd still like an option to have a LP line stubbed out in the coach for say a Heat Buddy or Olympic Wave portable units occasional usage. Yes this would add back some of the dual systems and LP Leak Detectors and emergency regulator shut off from collisions - thus some of the Pro's go away. But we've camped several times where having the Heat Buddy option doing our early AM heating has been a real benefit. Our specific coaches Hydro Hot is loud. And when in campgrounds, it adds diesel fumes to those all around us. Having the Heat Buddy, or other option, allows for a very quick heating of the coach. (And again, I admit that this is a bit hypocritical to say I like All Electric, but then want to have my cake and eat it too, with some LP capability:)! I suspect in the next 10 years, we'll see how this all evolves:)! Best to all, Smitty Be safe, have fun, Smitty 04 CC Allure "RooII" - Our "E" ride for life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfritz Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I have read all your replies several times! Thanks for all the information and opinions, Escapees come thru again!! Now an update! We have purchased a 2015 Newmar Dutch Star 4375. It has a propane cooktop but everything else is electric. It was a lucky find as it was still at a dealer that was motivated to get it sold. We will be picking it up in several days so will have to respond later to see how well it functions. Thanks again for helping me with the research! 2015 Newmar Dutch Star 4375 Chevy Z71 toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I have read all your replies several times! Thanks for all the information and opinions, Escapees come thru again!! Congratulations! I think that you made a good choice. The only people whose opinions of your new home that matter are those who live in it so hopefully you both will be happy! I sure think that we could be. Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindaH Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 It wouldn't work for us since we spent the vast majority of our time boondocking. I suppose if you invested in many solar panels and many batteries, it might be "OK," but, personally, I'd pass. LindaH 2014 Winnebago Aspect 27K 2011 Kia Soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarome Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The industry is certainly heading in the all electric direction, but I think it's a LONG LONG ways off before you start seeing it as any type of industry "standard". Developments in more RV specific electric options? Sure.. but there are a lot of hurtles that need to be crossed and public attitudes and tendencies that would have to change. 15 years from now... who knows. I'm with Linda.. I would take a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2gypsies Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Now an update! We have purchased a 2015 Newmar Dutch Star 4375. It has a propane cooktop but everything else is electric. You'll love your Newmar. We certainly did! Congratulations. Full-timed for 16 YearsTraveled 8 yr in a 2004 Newmar Dutch Star 40' Motorhome and 8 yr in a 33' Travel Supreme 5th Wheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdrider Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Congrats on your new Dutch Star!! Dave & Diane 2020 New Horizon Majestic 5th wheel 2018 Ram 5500 2014 Tiffin Phaeton 42LH (SOLD) 2012 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited (SOLD)http://daveanddiane.wordpress.com/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWqRmO1rO4cu3rFANF1iG6Q http://tickers.TickerFactory.com/ezt/d/4;10752;80/st/20120701/e/Went+fulltime/dt/-2/k/271f/event.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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