remoandiris Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 I've Googled, Binged, and read brochures, but I can't find a thing on overall length. Can anyone point me to a site that lists the overall length of VNMs and VNLs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Dreamer Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Nope because there is no simple answer. The length will vary depending on how truck was specified by the original buyer. Depends on many items such as Cab size, wheel base, single or tandem, etc... 2005 Freightliner Century S/T, Singled, Air ride ET Jr. hitch 2019 46'+ Dune Sport Man Cave custom 5th wheel toy hauler Owner of the 1978 Custom Van "Star Dreamer" which might be seen at a local car show near you! Check out http://www.hhrvresource.com/ for much more info on HDT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Wow. I had no idea. I expected a standard length. Guess I need to call Rv Haulers or Herrin with my wish list and see if it is possible, then go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 From Jack's site. VNM Daycab front bumper to back of cab 112" VNL Daycab front bumper to back of cab 123" now add sleeper 42, 61 or 77 inches. In Ontario we have a maximum wheelbase which I believe is 244 inches but I've seen some of the trucks in the SW US running 300 or more so that is why there is no definitive answer to your question. Plus many people selling used trucks don't know the difference between models. Nigel 2006 Volvo VNL 430, 2006 smart cabrio cdi, 2000 Triple E Topaz 30' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlvillestu Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Bumper to back of cab VNL730/780 - 189" VNL630/670 - 173" VNL430 - 154" VNL300 - 122" VNMs - subtract 9" The daycab's cab is 10" longer than the "front" (non-sleeper) part of the sleeper cabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsnext Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 230" is what a lot of people have when going to a smart bed. We have 236" with an 81" overhang which will give us ample room. 2016 Volvo VNL780 D13 I-Shift 2016 DRV 44 Houston 2015 Smart Cabriolet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Maybe I should have stated this upfront, maybe not...I want to carry a 50" RZR and my GoldWing on the rear deck. The truck's overall length can be no more than 25' to stay under 65' when towing. Also have to account for tie-down points for the GoldWing. The RZR tie-down points are right beside the tires, but the bike tie-downs need to be several inches out from each side. Maybe putting the RZR against the cab and the bike rearward of that might work. If it is not possible, I'll have to rethink my wants and needs. At this point a call to RV Haulers is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 230" is what a lot of people have when going to a smart bed. We have 236" with an 81" overhang which will give us ample room. That is with a 780/730 cab. A shorter truck can be used with a 61" cab. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC and Angie Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 That's probably not going to happen. I have a smart, about the size of a razor and I'm at 30 ft. Volvo 780 with a Herrin deck. 2009 Volvo 780. D-16 500hp 1850 torque with a Herrin hauler bed. 2015 Continental Coach 2008 650cc Suzuki Bergman 2013 Mustang GT 500 convertible 2014 Smartcar convertible WWW.Hollyfab.com. (Metal Fabrication Company) Jamesc@hollyfab.com (preferred contact method) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 25 feet is either day cab, or cab-over territory. Time to review your needs. I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 From a 780 to a 420 you will loose close to 3 foot. Haven't measured one but they are a lot shorter. Don't know of any RVers with one. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 25 feet is either day cab, or cab-over territory. Time to review your needs. Correct. What you want to do is not going to happen with a condo cab truck. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 The 65' overall length is law in most states, but many folks are several feet longer- 68-70' and haven't had issues. NOT that it's legal, BUT many folks here that have long beds on long frame trucks with long trailers are illegal. It's just ignored. When asked how long they are, many folks will say something like 65' and 49".... When we are done with our configuration of truck and trailer, I expect to be 69' overall, ready to roll. Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke-E Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 There are a number of states that are shorter than 65' too...there's no magic to that number other than that it gets you legal in most states (36 by quick count on the Good Sam list). 45' 2004 Showhauler -- VNL300, ISX, FreedomLine -- RVnerds.com -- where I've started to write about what I'm up to Headlight and Fog Light Upgrades http://deepspacelighting.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 25 feet is either day cab, or cab-over territory. Time to review your needs. I'm afraid you're right. There isn't a lot of love for cab-over RV haulers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mant Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 What are the issues with a cabover design? Is it just a comfort issue? It seems like that is all they use overseas for long hauling. Wouldn't a cabover solve a lot of the length issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 What are the issues with a cabover design? Is it just a comfort issue? It seems like that is all they use overseas for long hauling. Wouldn't a cabover solve a lot of the length issues? I am sure it would solve most of the over length issues. Biggest problem would be finding a good one with an automated transmission. My understanding is the Argosy was quite comfortable to drive and a few even had the auto. I'd love to see some of the European cabovers here but you would probably have to severely discount them to sell. Nigel 2006 Volvo VNL 430, 2006 smart cabrio cdi, 2000 Triple E Topaz 30' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdickinson Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Cabovers are not very common and probably older trucks. I see lots of Freightliners. So they are either high milers or rebuilt. In South America and Europe they are more common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Way back in history before sensible length laws came to bear, you found COE trucks in the East because of the restrictive length laws. In the West, where coming down mountains made short wheelbase trucks more subject to jack-knifing, even if you found a COE, the frame was still long. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 For our use I'd love to have a new Volvo FN series cabover, like they use in the rest of the world. But don't hold your breath. There is no market for that truck in North America. (on edit: I should not say "NO MARKET"...BUT JUST A VERY LIMITED MARKET). Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&K Posted July 5, 2015 Report Share Posted July 5, 2015 Me too. Can't think of a better unit to haul an RV. Although 735hp MAN would be fine too. Lol George,Suzuki Celerio 998cc Yamaha NMAX scooter Work ride is Western Star N2 Tri-Tri tanker at 56,500kg loaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security team 24/7 Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 I'm 69 ft 4in and have never had a problem in either Texas or Arizona where the 65ft law exists!Been running down there for quite a number of years now! June, Walter (Princess and Czar-our Shihtzu and Rottweiler) The Security Team 24/72000 Volvo 770, VED12-465hp-1.94 Million Kms and Counting,Eaton-Fuller manual stick 13...232"WB_Twin Screw , 24.5" Rubber, 2011-Passion-Smart Car - 37RL Cardinal, 2KW Solar PV "Enjoying Life" - Currently Semi-Retired..In the Summer I Drive a Semi...In the Winter I'm Retired" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peety3 Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 I can see talking my 5'2" tall wife into climbing into a VNL (where the floor is 4' off the ground) and then standing up to walk into the sleeper. I cannot see talking my wife into climbing into a cabover, then crawling over the "doghouse" (engine/transmission hump) to make it into the sleeper. Face it, the RDBE count would probably go down with cabovers. There's probably also more engine noise with the engine under-foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&K Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Modern cab overs are nearly flat floor, and very well insulated. There is a lot of engine back inside the cab volume in a VNL with a D-16 for example. http://www.volvotrucks.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/VTC/Market/Trucks/volvo-fh-series/pdf/Volvo-FH-Series_UK.pdf And that truck is available with a 750hp D-16 just for giggles. George,Suzuki Celerio 998cc Yamaha NMAX scooter Work ride is Western Star N2 Tri-Tri tanker at 56,500kg loaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 I'm 69 ft 4in and have never had a problem in either Texas or Arizona where the 65ft law exists! Been running down there for quite a number of years now! And as has been mentioned there are people on this forum that have been stopped and cited for being over 65ft. The odds are definitely in your favor that you won't get stopped, but.............. MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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