tyates007 Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 So I went out this morning to start the truck to go get fuel before our trip. Truck started fine. It ran for about 3 minutes and then started running rough and shut down. When I try and restart it just cranks but no fire. My Volvo did this a few times and it was the ECM fuse in the battery box before I finally had to replace the ECM. I cannot find an ECM fuse for this truck. On the display I am getting engine pid 085 high. Have not been able to find that code. I pulled the flash codes and get code 36,46,51 and 62. These codes are speed sensor, low oil pressure, low coolant and intermittent low voltage to ECM. I just had a water pump put in which was the low coolant. Speed sensor should not shut it down. Oil pressure and ECM would. I just had Kenworth replace all four batteries last Saturday before I picked it up so I am stumped. It has been an expensive year for the old Kenworth. Any help would be appreciated. Truck is a 2000 model year with 3406e Cat engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Make sure the people that put in the batteries connected ALL of the grounds back up correctly and that all of the connections are tight and clean. Other than that, Scrap will be by sooner or later and should be able to help out. 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Fuel level? Edit to add: Ask me how I know that the tanks will equalize to a level higher in the downhill tank. I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSeas Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Battery voltage... Use a multimeter and connect to the batteries and crack and record voltage. Connect multimeter to starter and record the voltage. Should be minimum difference. Voltage maybe too low for ECM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyates007 Posted May 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 I just checked the batteries and they are showing low. I'm sure the shop just grabbed them off the shelf and put them in. I'll charge over the weekend and hope it's that simple. I've never been that lucky with simple but I can hope. Thx for the quick replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyates007 Posted May 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Fuel level? Edit to add: Ask me how I know that the tanks will equalize to a level higher in the downhill tank. Fuel is good. Probably 200 gallon still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrknrvr Posted May 21, 2016 Report Share Posted May 21, 2016 Check any and all grounds to the cab. Loosen them,take apart and clean till metal shines then tighten good. Along with the other suggestions. Safe Travels, Vern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 The fact that it started and then shut down indicates that it ain't the batteries. I'll wager a 12 pack of Dr. Pepper you have a fuel leak, or more accurately, air leaking into the suction side of the fuel pump. When you crank the starter, do you get white smoke, or no smoke? KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyates007 Posted May 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 I agree it's not batteries. I believe there is no smoke as their was nothing lingering when I quit cranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrap Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 The ECM fuses are in the fuse panel under the glovebox. Watch for check engine light at key on. No check engine light = no power to ECU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 The only time I had anything like this it turned out to be the small wires at the battery connections. I called Billb and he directed me to there. I pulled them off and replaced the end connectors and she fired right up. Just a cheap fix possibility. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Do you have a Davco fuel filter? If so, how much fuel is showing? If there's any on the glass, I'm likely wrong with my diagnosis. KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyates007 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Do you have a Davco fuel filter? If so, how much fuel is showing? If there's any on the glass, I'm likely wrong with my diagnosis. No Davco. Just a regular spin on filter. Right now truck is parked to close to shop to open hood. Not a smart move and I never nose into shop for this reason but was doing some work on the rear so parked it that way this time. I am going to put a fitting in the tank tomorrow morning to put air in the truck with my shop compressor so I can move it. Once I get the hood open I will start with the potential fuel diagnosis as well as check some sensors that are known issues for this motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSeas Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 After you have charged up the battleries give her a try... If it starts and runs you are ahead of the game. Remember low voltage can occur even after you have it running if the batteries were low. Try one thing at a time and make sure it's good before you move on to next suspect. Keep the self induced "problem(s)" to a minimum. Low batteries and bad grounds can cause lots of "problems"! Try checking the areas that were "touched" last during other maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 The part of his first post that makes me think air in fuel, is when he wrote it started to run rough and then shut down. Classic symptoms for air in the lines. I went through it last year with my Mack, and it was the o-ring on the fill port of the filter. KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyates007 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Well it was fuel related. I got the hood open, primed with the hand primer and it started. Didn't run very long. Primed it again, jumped in the cab, fired it up and kept on the throttle till it smoothed out. So, now I know the problem, just need to find the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 I had rough running on start up and if left more than 4 days it would not start. I needed a couple of new injectors. They were leaking air into the fuel system. Hope your problem is easier. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyates007 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 I had rough running on start up and if left more than 4 days it would not start. I needed a couple of new injectors. They were leaking air into the fuel system. Hope your problem is easier. Brad Thanks Brad. I hope it is easier as well. Hope they are getting you back together and on the road again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 tyates007 they are supposed to ship the new axle assembly tomorrow. Had to be built. We are hoping that everyone involved gets everything right on the first try Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Brad, whose axle is it? Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 That's a silly question Rocky. It's my axle. It is a dexter axle. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Funny. Well, I've replaced 4 Dexter axles on our rig! Actually, I replaced 3, the 4th was done 1 month before I purchased it. At least you will now have 1/2 inch walls on the new one! Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Cat mechanics will install a clear tube between the fuel filters to see if air is entering by bad seal on primary filter, fuel supply line from tank, or pickup inside the tank. "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 tyates007 I don't know what they did to mine but I was told that they could not hold a vacuum on the fuel system and that meant it was leaking air. Just thought of something when I started writing this. When they said they could not hold a vacuum they also said some was internal and some was external. Meaning that I had some leaking O rings in the fuel system. I replaced somewhere between 5 - 10 O-rings in the fuel line connections starting at the tank, through the Davco filter and up to the fuel pump. I don't know all the correct part names but I can change O-rings. The tech showed me where some of them were and the dealer printed me a picture of the system. It helped some. Sorry I did not think of the O rings sooner. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyates007 Posted May 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Thanks Brad. I'm pretty sure it's between the tanks and the filter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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