JPL Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 We left the Campark CG in Williamsburg Va (757-565-2101) on the 8th heading for the Bethpage CG(804-758-4349) in Urbanna Va (50 miles away). They have a great CG with a water park that kids love. We had our 11 year grandson with us. He is the only reason we were going over there. On the way I'm on a 2 lane road and had a car in the other lane. So i just moved over a little. then the 5er went off the pavement. 10 to 15 seconds I've got it back on hard surface. The truck never went off the road. I thought everything was ok. Then my cell rings and Shirley (DW) tells me the 5er is listing to the right. So the first time I can I pull over I do. I crawled under the frame and see all 3 spring hangers bent. The springs were all out of shape but not broken. The tires aren't hitting the frame. Shirley tells me the trailer rocked back and forth so bad she thought it was going to roll over. It was throwing mud so bad it got on her car. The left rear jack really dug in and was throwing that mud up under the frame. I never felt that anything really bad was going on. The Truck was in control all of the time. If I was towing with a pickup I am not sure what the outcome would have been. So I get back on the road. After several miles I stopped again and check tire temps.and bearing temps. Both sides within 8 degrees. We were about 20 miles away when it happened. We went on but never got over 45. When we got there I was really worried abut the leveling jacks being able to get her to level out. It did.When we went inside it looked like a bomb had gone off in the den. Broken glass and stuff everywhere. But still it could have been worse. We had a great weekend and the grandson loved the whole weekend. Even the excitement. If you are ever out here visit Bethpage. A little on the high side but a great place to visit. All sorts of things to do at the CG but not much in town except some antique shops. We left on Monday and headed home (90 miles) stopping to ck temps several times. No problems running at 50. Took pictures and go to 3 places on Tuesday. On wen I took it to East Coast Trailer Sales (757-465-2200). They sale and service Car Hauler Trailers and any kind of truck you can afford to tow with. Their shop has 12 bays 80 ' long with big doors at each end. They also have a CNC polishing machine. They blocked it up ,leveled it and started checking it out. Everything but the axles will get new parts that were ordered from Lippert. On fri got the word from the insurance people that the first phase ck for $3700 was being sent. Hope to have it back by next week ready to do the 2nd phase. When the guy was finished doing the quote the insurance adjuster (Good Sams and they have been great) and I were standing back looking at the right side and he noticed a crack from the rear corner of the slide up to the roof, There was also a big dimple on the froward corner up to the roof. That is the only slide on the right side. I talked to the RV dealer we got the 5er from. He said they wouldn't want to do the repair. He said Factory. I called them but I have to send pictures. Will try to get some more that really show the wall damage. On the inside wall that separates the den from the kitchen there is a broken stud sticking thru the wall. It looks like a bone sticking thru the skin. The floor in the kitchen feels funny. But the whole thing worries me IRT what have I done? and can it be fixed "good as new"? Only time will tell. But it could have been worse. Just another mountain to climb. And I didn't even have a drink the whole weekend. Hope this post wasn't to long. Is my Volvo overkill? Never!! Pat The Old Sailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblscooper Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I am sure your post was interesting, but, with no paragraphs to break up the narrative, I gave up after a few lines. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I am sure your post was interesting, but, with no paragraphs to break up the narrative, I gave up after a few lines. Jim Seriously? Pat...glad to hear you and your grandson are OK. I've been through that area a hundred times but have never had the need to stop. Sounds like I missed an opportunity. Good luck with the repairs. 2012 F350 KR CC DRW w/ some stuff 2019 Arctic Fox 32-5MCindy and Tom, Kasey and Maggie (our Newfie and Berner) Oh...I forgot the five kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somewhereinusa Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I am sure your post was interesting, but, with no paragraphs to break up the narrative, I gave up after a few lines. Jim Me too. My bus build http:/somewhereinusa.x10.mx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat & Pete Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I am sure your post was interesting, but, with no paragraphs to break up the narrative, I gave up after a few lines. Jim I didn't even give him that much . I saw that and first thought was that it was spam . But , I gave the OP the benefit and just went to the next topic . I figured maybe he'd had a bit too much caffeine or ... Goes around , comes around . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldride Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Good post and info. Anytime we drop off the side it could be a roll over glad you and the family were ok. 2011 CAN-AM Spyder Rt SE5, 2010 Alpine 5th wheel, 1998 Vovlo VNL610 Hopefully 2 years 6 month till full time retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oletimer Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I am sure your post was interesting, but, with no paragraphs to break up the narrative, I gave up after a few lines. Jim Pat, I have dropped off the side of the road in lake country before several times, but no damage done. Glad you are all safe. BTW, Anyone who has trouble with this narrative is either cross eyed, or has ADD, but of course, I flunked out of school. (of course, or of coarse?) Dick T 2006 Volvo VNL 630(VED12 400HP)10 speed autoshift,3.58 gear 236" twin screw, w/ET, Jackalopee, Blue Dot2016 Space Craft 37' Blu/Dot, Dexter 8K triple axel, HD Drum hydraulic brakes Feather lite air ride2005 Jeep Rubicon2007 Suzuki DR 650 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Great story. Never mind the English professors. Bill and Joan and 3 Collie pups 2001 Volvo VNL 770 "The Doghouse" Singled short, "ET" hItch VED12 465HP Gen 1 Autoshift 3.58 ratio 2005 Mobile Suite 38RL3 2011 Smart Passion loaded piggybacK Weigh-It Portable RV Scales http://www.weighitrv.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat & Pete Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I just read the OP . Good no one was in the trailer when that happened . Goes around , comes around . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peety3 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 BTW, Anyone who has trouble with this narrative is either cross eyed, or has ADD, but of course, I flunked out of school. (of course, or of coarse?) Neither. I read part of it, skimmed the rest, and don't know what the points are, exactly. BIggest takeaway I see is that the trailer is not to be ignored. Regardless, it really could benefit from bridging the gap between "all in one paragraph" and the mile-long, inch-wide posts from Dolly's keeper(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncohauler Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Sounds like an event full trip good luck with the trailer repairs please keep us posted pictures are always fun to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjhunter01 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 That is a consequence of pulling a small trailer with a oversized HDT. You can destroy your trailer and not even know it. With my Chevy dually, I am a lot more cautious and slow down immediately if I have to make any evasive maneuvers. Over confidence can be expensive in the end. As a kid on the farm, we once hooked up a 8' disc behind our Case 930, 90 hp tractor which pretty much destroyed the disc in one pass around the field, that disc was bouncing around like a rag doll. Whereas our smaller Farmall M had pulled with the same disc as a matched outfit for years and was forced to slow down when the pulling got tough. It was a clear case of too much power for that disc to handle. I might add, the old man was not happy with us. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I would rather have my rig destroyed than to have it push me across a road and into oncoming traffic by not being able to maintain control. Yikes.... I've had trailers sling across the road from dropping off like that. With a regular dually it can get interestring quick. On a narrow no shoulder road on the way to a boat ramp, the trailer tires dropped off the outside. I slowed and moved towards the centerline. When the trailer tires came back on the asphalt, it jumped half the lane across. And this was at 35mph. It moved the back of the truck sideways enough to completely capture my attention... Did the adjuster open up the bottom to see if there was any frame damage above the axles? Cross members bent or have cracked welds? Before you give up reading a post that might have info you need, expand your screen so the font is larger and fewer words are on the page. Works on phones, tablets, most touch screen laptops, etc... Before you declare a post to be SPAM, see what the post count is for the OP, over 1 or 2 posts, it's generally not spam.... Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 My brother had a new travel trailer totaled by hitting a pothole in Ky. It bent the frame. He bought it back and repaired the frame hisself and it worked good as new. No loss die to the repair when he sold it. Ron C. 2013 Dynamax Trilogy 3850 D3 2000 Kenworth T2000 Optimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 That is a consequence of pulling a small trailer with a oversized HDT. You can destroy your trailer and not even know it. With my Chevy dually, I am a lot more cautious and slow down immediately if I have to make any evasive maneuvers. Over confidence can be expensive in the end. Greg You are in part correct, but to me it is more important to have the HDT control the trailer rather than the trailer control the tow vehicle. The main reason we went to a HDT was safety. Our dually was pushed across two lanes of traffic and into the median by our "smaller trailer" (11K#) after avoiding a collision with a car coming down an entrance ramp. The frame was racked on that trailer from the situation and we disposed of it. We now have a 15.5K# trailer that is, by many standards, still "smaller". I have pulled it with our GMC dually and never felt safe or in control of the trailer. With the HDT I do feel in control. If I had been pulling the smaller trailer with a HDT I doubt that it would have experienced frame damage. The concept of "over kill" from pick-up owners that see a HDT towing a RV trailer will always be there. When I am told our HDT is over kill I generally smile and reply, "I like over kill" rather than berate the PU owner for his choice of vehicle. Pat, sorry to hear about the damage to your trailer. Good thing the insurance company covered the damage. Very glad you were not hurt from a more serious accident and had the HDT up front when all of this happened. Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barncats Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Pat Glad everything worked out and everyone is safe. As far as the grammar police go.....I don't think they would appreciate my grammar if I typed what is on my mind right now. Self righteousness is always a bad thing Mike 2000 W900L KWSingled, C15 CAT 475 HP 18 sp, 3:36 rear, power locker,ET Hitch,,22.5 rubber 2011 Excel 36CFE Limited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPL Posted July 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 To all: I didn't know that there was a right way or a wrong way to post. I thought that you posted the info that you had in a readable manner. To jblscopper For you I will keep my post to 2 Words. For Everyone else I just wanted people to learn from my unintetional turn of events. You have to keep that right side under control and on the pavement! I've been towing 5er's for 13 years. 5 years with the Volvo. This 2015 43' Open Range Mesa Ridge is the biggest yet. Never had a problem before but I will learn from this issue. From my wrong way post I hope everyone can just be more aware. They ordered the parts yesterday and expect them a week from fri. There is definitively structural damage and we won't know the extent until we get it back on wheels so it can be checked out. I hope this post doesn't cause anymore negative replies. Pat The Old Sailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactus Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Hey Pat, Just an old road dog but I can read line by line and appreciate you accounting of events Thanks E.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Neither. I read part of it, skimmed the rest, and don't know what the points are, exactly. BIggest takeaway I see is that the trailer is not to be ignored. Regardless, it really could benefit from bridging the gap between "all in one paragraph" and the mile-long, inch-wide posts from Dolly's keeper(s). Shucks, Peety, Thanks 4 tha Komplement..........only hope that the wife don't get jellious of tha hicky from your post......... Shucks when I type with both thumbs tha .......................................happen when I take a break and my little pinky rests on the dot-key ......... Regarding driving / towing too close to the ditch...........a HDT can hit hard when it rolls into the ditch......as I kid I rode a 54 KW ditch and rolled over and it aint fun at all..........don't get too close to the edge..... Drive on.............(don't get sore thumbs........typ'n..........................................................) 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblr Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Pat, thanks for the info and hope all turns out ok for you and also glad to hear all are safe, keep us posted. 2017 River Stone Legacy 38MB 2001 T2000 Kenworth 2009 Smart Passion ET Junior hitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 To jblscopper For you I will keep my post to 2 Words. I literally LOL'd when I read this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I literally LOL'd when I read this!! Yea, I had to clean the screen from spraying ice tea on it from reading that.... Pat may be retired, but it's hard to keep that Navy man hidden.... Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I am so glad that some folks seem to be able to be light hearted in the face intolerance. It is pretty easy to pick put the gentlemen (or gentle ladies) of this group. KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPL Posted August 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 jblscooper Peety Your 2 words "It's Totaled" All After 7 weeks w/o the 5er I found out today it has been totaled. The entire right wall had to be replaced, the frame was bent and longitudinal beams were bent, interior wall were separated,doors were broke, the floor had to be replaced, the frame the pin was welded to had problems, and the estimate of work was 45k plus the 4k to put it back on springs. Now I guess we start the money part of the insurance claim. I have a new one in mind but the DW and I aren't on the same page. More to follow on "Insurance Questions" post. Pat The Old Sailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim & Wilma Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 "It's Totaled" Good luck! Jim & Wilma 2006 Travel Supreme 36RLQSO 2009 Volvo VNL730, D13, I-shift, ET, Herrin Hauler bed, "Ruby" 2017 Smart Class of 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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