BrianT Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I am curious about something. Are there published statistics anywhere that track fulltime rivers? For instance, of those who enter fulltime rving, how long do they average before they fall out of / end their fulltiming? What might have been their reasons? What percentage that stop do so because they no longer want to vs want to but no longer can? Those kinds of things. It would be an interesting read if it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindaH Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Are there published statistics anywhere that track fulltime rivers? Not that I'm aware of. LindaH 2014 Winnebago Aspect 27K 2011 Kia Soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_12078 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I've seen some "guesstimates" in various print articles from time to time, but nothing with any statistical validation. I suspect the reasons for getting off the fulltiming road are as varied as the reasons for getting on it in the first place. I've met folks that quit after a year or so despite starting out intending to make it their ongoing lifestyle, and folks that started out as a means of finding where they wanted to settle after a year or two, and are still going strong a dozen years later. Given that most fulltimers are of somewhat advanced years, my best guess would be that the most common reason for a seasoned fulltimer to quit would be health issues in some form. Dutch 2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A F-53 Chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS 2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/brake system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Folks Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Don't know of any either. Best guess is that has been put forth is: there are about 1 million full-timers, and the average time spent in the lifestyle is around 5 years. This what I got from reading the forums, anyways. Camping Rig: 2005 Dodge 3500 - Dually- Cummins 2006 Outback 27 RSDS Two rescue dogs: A Catahoula mix & a Chihuahua mix. Fulltimer since 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailertraveler Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Escapees has published surveys of their members. The last I found was from 2010. It states that 49% of Escapees members that responded lived fulltime in their RV. Good Sam published a survey in 2008. 11% of those responding indicated that they lived in their RV fulltime. Neither survey provides demographic information specific to fulltimers that I could find. The Census collects data from those living in Transitory Residences (Hotels, Campgrounds, RV Parks) which they define as "People whose “usual home” at the time of the census is transitory or mobile are counted during a special “transitory enumeration” that takes place in late March and early April. Locations for this special count include RV parks, campgrounds, single-room occupancy hotels, motels, marinas, racetracks, circuses, and carnivals." I did a quick search and could not find any summary or statistics specifically for this group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianT Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Even without large quantities of hard data, the replies are interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbaraok Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Well first thing you would have to do is get an agreement of what the term fulltiming is - - good luck. Barb Barb & Dave O'Keeffe 2002 Alpine 36 MDDS (Figment II), 2018 Ford C-Max HYBRID Blog: http://www.barbanddave.net SPK# 90761 FMCA #F337834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Well first thing you would have to do is get an agreement of what the term fulltiming is - - good luck. Barb Right. I was told just this week that I'm not a fulltimer. I happen to own an RV lot.....so I can't be a fulltimer. A fulltimer does not own ANYTHING they have to pay real estate tax on. Period. Oh, and the fact that I rent this lot and have not even seen it for 7 years? Irrelevant. I still own it so I could not "possibly be called a fulltimer". Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Well first thing you would have to do is get an agreement of what the term fulltiming is - - good luck. Barb Good one Barb! Any statistics would be meaningless. There are no accurate figures anywhere. Newt 2012 HitchHiker Discover America 345 LKSB 2009 Dodge/Cummins LIVINGSTON TX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon36 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Well first thing you would have to do is get an agreement of what the term fulltiming is - - good luck. Barb I'll take a stab at this. Wouldn't it be that you are living in your RV 24/7/365? The only time you are not living in the RV is when you have flown somewhere or are staying in a hotel because the RV is in the shop and you can't stay in it, or you are over-nighting for a few days with friends/relatives due to a special occasion. Full time since August 2010 2002 Itasca Horizon One fur kid - a Shih-Tsu rescue Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rif Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 You really don't want to go there. This discussion has been repeated more times than most of us can remember, and the arguments and end result is always the same. You go ahead and define it however you like. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you. 2000 Volvo 770, 500HP/1650FP Cummins N14 and 10 Speed Autoshift 3.58 Rear 202" WB, 2002 Teton Aspen Royal 43 Foot, Burgman 650 Scooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianT Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Horizon36, sounds like a perfectly acceptable definition to me. Also sounds like I got my answer. There isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 How about a Topic called- You Can't be a Full-Timer if.... According to Jack's run-in, you can't pay any real estate tax- My favorite is that we don't move enough... Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Brian, as mentioned by another the only such information that I have seen is the surveys of both Good Sam and Escapees and both of them only survey their members, when they do so. The Escapee mail service has about 12,000 active addresses the last time that I checked, which I think was about a year ago but that doesn't begin to say how many there are. I too frequently seem to hear a number around 1 million from RV folks on forums but have not seen anything to support a number that is even close to that figure. The last census bureau figures that I saw were from the 2000 census when they reported about a half million in "non-conventional" housing which they defined as boats, RVs, motels, hotels, and shelters. I'm not sure if that includes those under a bridge, but suspect so. Since there is no place that one registers when they go on the road with an RV, there is also no way to know how long the majority stay. If these forums are any indication, then I would bet that more than half stay around for more than one or two years, but that too is nothing more than a guess and has no documentation at all. Because we are such an independent bunch of people we are very difficult to track and just about any number someone throws out can be argued for or against. The nearest thing to a study that I have ever heard of was one out of Texas A&M, sociology dept. I believe it was. That was at least 10 years ago and I think longer than that. I kept some of the information from the article about it but don't have that article any longer. I do recall that they only studies the RV travelers in Texas and were trying to come up with rough numbers of fulltimers, snowbirds, vacation travelers and such. They did have some numbers for impact upon TX but concluded that there were no clear definitions of most groups of RV travel types. About the only conclusion they gave was in terms of dollars of economic impact, estimated numbers of winter visitors and a few other odd facts. Mostly they determined that it is impossible to study such a mobile group with any accuracy. I'll take a stab at this. Wouldn't it be that you are living in your RV 24/7/365? The only time you are not living in the RV is when you have flown somewhere or are staying in a hotel because the RV is in the shop and you can't stay in it, or you are over-nighting for a few days with friends/relatives due to a special occasion. I have attempted to do what you are on occasion, but find that even if you state what you personally mean by the term you will get attacked by someone who is offended by the parameters that you set. I particularly recall on post on this forum which stated that the author was a "part-time fulltimer." Until one of the major dictionaries chooses to define the term in print, there will be no way to support one view over another. Do you state a specific number of nights per year in the RV? And does the RV have to move about or could it include someone like one of our neighbors here who live in a fifth wheel and have not owned anything that could tow that fiver for at least five years now and the RV axle is sitting on blocks with flat tires on them? Is that person a fulltimer? I suggest that no definition is going to be acceptable to all and no matter what we might agree upon, someone will be offended. Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarome Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 A fulltimer does not own ANYTHING they have to pay real estate tax on. Period. Now THAT is just re-dickilus. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarome Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 You Can't be a Full-Timer if.... Not THAT would be an interesting thread! LOL You should kick that off there Alie and Jim. ~ Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_12078 Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 My personal definition of a "fulltimer" is anyone that considers their RV "home", even when they're not living in it for some period. I don't know of anything that prevents fulltimers from spending time away from the RV, whether it's a cruise, a resort hotel, or a stay in a lakeside cottage they own and visit from time to time as we do. If a fulltimer takes a 30 day cruise to Europe, does that mean they're no longer "fulltimers"? That said, we generally refer to our lifestyle as "longtimers" just because it doesn't raise the "fulltimer" definition issues that always seem to go along with that label. Dutch 2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A F-53 Chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS 2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/brake system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pensauncola Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Is being a full timer some kind of badge of honor? Why do we have to label anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker56 Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 The last couple or since 1999 the census bureau figures doesn't have me in it. No one has ever counted me that I know of. And the mailing address I use. No one that lives there has ever turned me in for a count. The closest my MH has been to that address is around 5 miles. Full Time since Oct. 199999 Discovery 34Q DP | ISBDatastorm | VMSpc | Co-Pilot Live | Pressure Pro2014 MKS Twin Turbo V6 365 HP Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbaraok Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 The last couple or since 1999 the census bureau figures doesn't have me in it. No one has ever counted me that I know of. And the mailing address I use. No one that lives there has ever turned me in for a count. The closest my MH has been to that address is around 5 miles. 100 years from now, someone in your extended family is going to wonder what happened to you and why you dropped off the face of the earth as they use census data to try and trace their family. Barb & Dave O'Keeffe 2002 Alpine 36 MDDS (Figment II), 2018 Ford C-Max HYBRID Blog: http://www.barbanddave.net SPK# 90761 FMCA #F337834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_12078 Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Is being a full timer some kind of badge of honor? Why do we have to label anybody? The label is needed so BrianT can get the statistics he'd like to see. Without the label, no one would know who to count! Dutch 2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A F-53 Chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS 2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/brake system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Is being a full timer some kind of badge of honor? Why do we have to label anybody? It's the thing to do -- especially during Winter along with discussions on . . . 6V vs 12V batteries Gas vs Diesel motorhomes Flooded vs AGM batteries Absorption vs Residential fridges etc, etc SKP #79313 / Full-Timing / 2001 National RV Sea View / 2008 Jeep Wrangler Rubiconwww.rvSeniorMoments.comDISH TV for RVs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whj469 Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Not that long ago I read that there are over one million RVers who have on other place to live except there RVs in the US. When I read that I assumed that it must be an estimate because how would anyone know for sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjim Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Once upon a time that where and what type of living situation you are using might have been recorded on the census. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindaH Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 The Escapee mail service has about 12,000 active addresses the last time that I checked, And, of course, not everyone who uses the Escapees mail service is a fulltimer. We are no longer fulltimers, but do use the service so we have someplace to have our mail sent when we're traveling in the Southwest during the winter. We also have all of our magazines sent there year around so that I don't have to go through the exercise of changing addresses twice a year! LindaH 2014 Winnebago Aspect 27K 2011 Kia Soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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